Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:09 am  

cod'ead wrote: I can't figure out if you're simply naive or being deliberately obtuse. Have a good trawl around the Exaro website I don't like trawling around searching for details about child abuse. It's just not what I call fun. Do me a favour and point to the strongest piece of evidence against Smith. I know there was a recent copper who spoke out about being removed from investigation and told to stop but to me that's just not good enough. Point me to the strongest case against a big name that offers decent testimony. In today's climate if someone made a strong claim against a major politician and could provide supporting evidence then the police would love to make a huge arrest. If these paedo rings were so large surely someone somewhere can point the finger and get them arrested? I know there are a few already disgraced people whose names keep cropping up but they've usually already been convicted before Savile's death changed the picture. You are a massive biased Labour supporter. Your hatred of the Tories is so huge you actually want the rumours to be true because you know it would virtually kill the party. But the allegations of a powerful gay mafia of politicians simply doesn't ring true. When I was growing up being a normal gay man was still something that many people covered up. The notion that a bunch of gays all got together to join a club that screwed under age boys is just ridiculous. I know there is the allegations against Cliff Richard and a bunch of other names over the hotel. That hotel might also be implicated in under age sex. It's patently clear that Cliff Richard is gay, even though I don't think he has come out and confirmed it. It might just be possible that Cliff Richard and the famous list all had a sex party with consenting adults, but in all honesty who GAF if they did? The Rotherham sex scandal report has said there were at least 1,400 victims and probably more. Can I just ask how many women have come forward to the police to get their abusers sent to jail? How many arrests have been made since the story broke?

cod'ead wrote: I can't figure out if you're simply naive or being deliberately obtuse. Have a good trawl around the Exaro website I don't like trawling around searching for details about child abuse. It's just not what I call fun. Do me a favour and point to the strongest piece of evidence against Smith. I know there was a recent copper who spoke out about being removed from investigation and told to stop but to me that's just not good enough. Point me to the strongest case against a big name that offers decent testimony. In today's climate if someone made a strong claim against a major politician and could provide supporting evidence then the police would love to make a huge arrest. If these paedo rings were so large surely someone somewhere can point the finger and get them arrested? I know there are a few already disgraced people whose names keep cropping up but they've usually already been convicted before Savile's death changed the picture. You are a massive biased Labour supporter. Your hatred of the Tories is so huge you actually want the rumours to be true because you know it would virtually kill the party. But the allegations of a powerful gay mafia of politicians simply doesn't ring true. When I was growing up being a normal gay man was still something that many people covered up. The notion that a bunch of gays all got together to join a club that screwed under age boys is just ridiculous. I know there is the allegations against Cliff Richard and a bunch of other names over the hotel. That hotel might also be implicated in under age sex. It's patently clear that Cliff Richard is gay, even though I don't think he has come out and confirmed it. It might just be possible that Cliff Richard and the famous list all had a sex party with consenting adults, but in all honesty who GAF if they did? The Rotherham sex scandal report has said there were at least 1,400 victims and probably more. Can I just ask how many women have come forward to the police to get their abusers sent to jail? How many arrests have been made since the story broke?

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:21 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote: I don't like trawling around searching for details about child abuse. It's just not what I call fun. Do me a favour and point to the strongest piece of evidence against Smith. I know there was a recent copper who spoke out about being removed from investigation and told to stop but to me that's just not good enough. Point me to the strongest case against a big name that offers decent testimony. In today's climate if someone made a strong claim against a major politician and could provide supporting evidence then the police would love to make a huge arrest. If these paedo rings were so large surely someone somewhere can point the finger and get them arrested? I know there are a few already disgraced people whose names keep cropping up but they've usually already been convicted before Savile's death changed the picture. You are a massive biased Labour supporter. Your hatred of the Tories is so huge you actually want the rumours to be true because you know it would virtually kill the party. But the allegations of a powerful gay mafia of politicians simply doesn't ring true. When I was growing up being a normal gay man was still something that many people covered up. The notion that a bunch of gays all got together to join a club that screwed under age boys is just ridiculous. I know there is the allegations against Cliff Richard and a bunch of other names over the hotel. That hotel might also be implicated in under age sex. It's patently clear that Cliff Richard is gay, even though I don't think he has come out and confirmed it. It might just be possible that Cliff Richard and the famous list all had a sex party with consenting adults, but in all honesty who GAF if they did? The Rotherham sex scandal report has said there were at least 1,400 victims and probably more. Can I just ask how many women have come forward to the police to get their abusers sent to jail? How many arrests have been made since the story broke? Firstly, I am not a "massive biased Labour supporter". I am a socialist, the Labour party left me years ago and a hatred for the tories does not equate to being a supporter of Labour. Child sexual abuse is not partisan, there are politicians and VIPs of all political persuasions that have been implicated in historic cases. If you truly believe that there wasn't "some sort of club", then you have either never heard of the Paedophile Information Exchange or have deliberately chosen to ignore it. Although say that, it does seem strange that it's mostly tories and LimpDems who managed to defeat an amendment to a piece of legislation that would see whistleblowers in any CSA enquiries or investigations, offered immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act. One does wonder why. Voting record For your own sake and that of this forum, I suggest you quickly amend your accusations about Cliff Richard's sexuality

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote: I don't like trawling around searching for details about child abuse. It's just not what I call fun. Do me a favour and point to the strongest piece of evidence against Smith. I know there was a recent copper who spoke out about being removed from investigation and told to stop but to me that's just not good enough. Point me to the strongest case against a big name that offers decent testimony. In today's climate if someone made a strong claim against a major politician and could provide supporting evidence then the police would love to make a huge arrest. If these paedo rings were so large surely someone somewhere can point the finger and get them arrested? I know there are a few already disgraced people whose names keep cropping up but they've usually already been convicted before Savile's death changed the picture. You are a massive biased Labour supporter. Your hatred of the Tories is so huge you actually want the rumours to be true because you know it would virtually kill the party. But the allegations of a powerful gay mafia of politicians simply doesn't ring true. When I was growing up being a normal gay man was still something that many people covered up. The notion that a bunch of gays all got together to join a club that screwed under age boys is just ridiculous. I know there is the allegations against Cliff Richard and a bunch of other names over the hotel. That hotel might also be implicated in under age sex. It's patently clear that Cliff Richard is gay, even though I don't think he has come out and confirmed it. It might just be possible that Cliff Richard and the famous list all had a sex party with consenting adults, but in all honesty who GAF if they did? The Rotherham sex scandal report has said there were at least 1,400 victims and probably more. Can I just ask how many women have come forward to the police to get their abusers sent to jail? How many arrests have been made since the story broke? Firstly, I am not a "massive biased Labour supporter". I am a socialist, the Labour party left me years ago and a hatred for the tories does not equate to being a supporter of Labour. Child sexual abuse is not partisan, there are politicians and VIPs of all political persuasions that have been implicated in historic cases. If you truly believe that there wasn't "some sort of club", then you have either never heard of the Paedophile Information Exchange or have deliberately chosen to ignore it. Although say that, it does seem strange that it's mostly tories and LimpDems who managed to defeat an amendment to a piece of legislation that would see whistleblowers in any CSA enquiries or investigations, offered immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act. One does wonder why. Voting record For your own sake and that of this forum, I suggest you quickly amend your accusations about Cliff Richard's sexuality

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:32 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

One other thing to add, my eldest was completely disheartened during her time out in the real world of lawyers during the last year of her degree by the pace of the work and the pressure that your average solicitor is under to churn out the cases. Whereas in Uni they would be given a sample case and several days to prepare for a mock defence, in real life she found that your prep time for an average simple case (assault or a minor benefit fraud for instance) would often be a quick read through the file while waiting outside the court, admittedly most of what she saw were pre-trial hearings but the routine-ness of a solicitor defending someone on legal aid (as it was then) who barely knew the defendant even five minutes before a hearing and who would then be moving on to the next case immediately afterwards is what depressed her about the job - there is a huge pressure to keep the files moving across the desk and keep the meter running.

And that is hardly delivering justice to either party in a criminal case

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:05 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Firstly, I am not a "massive biased Labour supporter". I am a socialist, the Labour party left me years ago and a hatred for the tories does not equate to being a supporter of Labour. cod'ead. I was calling you Labour because it was shorthand for saying socialist. I don't want to write a 10,000 word essay that I know is not going to be read anyway. My political leaning is to simply not GAF and to ignore them all. The only thing politicians want you for is your vote. The main people to benefit from a party change at the top are the politicians themselves. Poor people are still screwed whoever is in charge, rich people are still the important ones whoever is in charge. Having said that I trust virtually every politician about as far as I can throw them (using only the power of my mind). If I had to express my poltical leanings then I would say I am definitely a socialist/communist. But I don't want the corrupt communist and socialist system of the past, I want a transparent communism/socialism that rewards genuine great work while also making sure that the weakest in society are looked after. Having these thoughts is difficult when near 1/4 of my life has been spent inside a country that has effectively made commie/socialist a very effective insult. I hate you. I think you have at least a massive dislike and disrespect of me. I have personality flaws that rile you. I see arrogance in you that pi55es me off and wants to fight you to the death over. You think we are both massively different. I think we see the world fairly similarly and should actually be able to enjoy great conversation and a pint together and like each other. I also know that's impossible seeing that I'm an effing mute and don't drink. Child sexual abuse is not partisan, there are politicians and VIPs of all political persuasions that have been implicated in historic cases. If you truly believe that there wasn't "some sort of club", then you have either never heard of the Paedophile Information Exchange or have deliberately chosen to ignore it. Although say that, it does seem strange that it's mostly tories and LimpDems who managed to defeat an amendment to a piece of legislation that would see whistleblowers in any CSA enquiries or investigations, offered immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act. One does wonder why. Voting record For your own sake and that of this forum, I suggest you quickly amend your accusations about Cliff Richard's sexuality The TV stations reporting on the news about the recent life of CR basically explained that Cliff lives alone with a man (I think he used to be a priest). They pretty much called him room mate/life partner/personal assistant etc etc etc. They hinted that Cliff was gay but never came out and said it. Even though Cliff probably has a sprawling 3 bed apartment, it is my personal belief that to share on heating costs (times are tough for everyone these days) Cliff and his "friend" sleep together in the same bed. I know I have made jibes directly towards you that are offensive. I know you probably think I'm a homophobe and transphobic. I swear to every god I don't believe in that I'm not. I just reserve the right to be a c*** to people who deserve it. I know that actually make me a bit of a c***. I can accept that. The whole J96 campaign, Rotherham CSE, complaints about SYP that are being aggressively persued. I see a subplot of giving SYP a right kicking because they are perceived as Maggie's special attack force. The Hillsborough Commission is clearly going to implicate Maggie in the plot and is going to declare football fans 100% innocent. As I say I have zero interest in politics and have no agenda regarding Thatcher. But to say Thatcher hated football fans and was waging war with them is a lie. Maggie had the zero interest in football and just wanted the hooligans to stop causing the damage they did. She wanted football to do it themselves but football couldn't do it. Football fans were generally mainly angry that the actions of one club had damaged everyone. Heysel has been virtually erased from memory and fans carried on the same. It took Hillsborough to give the govt power to affect change and make fans wake up a little bit. Football is now a different, middle class sport and in many ways is all the better for it. As a working class man who has been priced out of the game and sees just what a massive change it's been I feel a lot has been lost. But I still love football. I hold CFC fans partly responsible for Hillsborough. I hold innocent football fans who ran into packed stadiums even though there were clearly problems ahead partly responsible. Yes, they wanted to see a match and they were missing it. But they also should have damn well known about the trouble of overcrowding. They had a warning only 4 years previously FFS. They chose to be blind to that warning. I do hold Duckenfield hugely responsible. But he was a ignorant victim just like everyone else was. He didn't mean to cause those deaths. But this conspiracy that is being painted leading to Thatcher. It doesn't effing exist. Only 1 man was responsible for The Truth. It was that utter cretin and terrible journalist KM. That c*** pretty much deserves to die. But Maggie. Stay the eff away from her on this one, even though you really don't want to. Anyway, I'm done ranting. I had sorted my head out over the last few days. I don't want to be messing it up again. Accept what I say in the spirit it's meant or just ignore it. I'm done with this s***.

cod'ead wrote: Firstly, I am not a "massive biased Labour supporter". I am a socialist, the Labour party left me years ago and a hatred for the tories does not equate to being a supporter of Labour. cod'ead. I was calling you Labour because it was shorthand for saying socialist. I don't want to write a 10,000 word essay that I know is not going to be read anyway. My political leaning is to simply not GAF and to ignore them all. The only thing politicians want you for is your vote. The main people to benefit from a party change at the top are the politicians themselves. Poor people are still screwed whoever is in charge, rich people are still the important ones whoever is in charge. Having said that I trust virtually every politician about as far as I can throw them (using only the power of my mind). If I had to express my poltical leanings then I would say I am definitely a socialist/communist. But I don't want the corrupt communist and socialist system of the past, I want a transparent communism/socialism that rewards genuine great work while also making sure that the weakest in society are looked after. Having these thoughts is difficult when near 1/4 of my life has been spent inside a country that has effectively made commie/socialist a very effective insult. I hate you. I think you have at least a massive dislike and disrespect of me. I have personality flaws that rile you. I see arrogance in you that pi55es me off and wants to fight you to the death over. You think we are both massively different. I think we see the world fairly similarly and should actually be able to enjoy great conversation and a pint together and like each other. I also know that's impossible seeing that I'm an effing mute and don't drink. Child sexual abuse is not partisan, there are politicians and VIPs of all political persuasions that have been implicated in historic cases. If you truly believe that there wasn't "some sort of club", then you have either never heard of the Paedophile Information Exchange or have deliberately chosen to ignore it. Although say that, it does seem strange that it's mostly tories and LimpDems who managed to defeat an amendment to a piece of legislation that would see whistleblowers in any CSA enquiries or investigations, offered immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act. One does wonder why. Voting record For your own sake and that of this forum, I suggest you quickly amend your accusations about Cliff Richard's sexuality The TV stations reporting on the news about the recent life of CR basically explained that Cliff lives alone with a man (I think he used to be a priest). They pretty much called him room mate/life partner/personal assistant etc etc etc. They hinted that Cliff was gay but never came out and said it. Even though Cliff probably has a sprawling 3 bed apartment, it is my personal belief that to share on heating costs (times are tough for everyone these days) Cliff and his "friend" sleep together in the same bed. I know I have made jibes directly towards you that are offensive. I know you probably think I'm a homophobe and transphobic. I swear to every god I don't believe in that I'm not. I just reserve the right to be a c*** to people who deserve it. I know that actually make me a bit of a c***. I can accept that. The whole J96 campaign, Rotherham CSE, complaints about SYP that are being aggressively persued. I see a subplot of giving SYP a right kicking because they are perceived as Maggie's special attack force. The Hillsborough Commission is clearly going to implicate Maggie in the plot and is going to declare football fans 100% innocent. As I say I have zero interest in politics and have no agenda regarding Thatcher. But to say Thatcher hated football fans and was waging war with them is a lie. Maggie had the zero interest in football and just wanted the hooligans to stop causing the damage they did. She wanted football to do it themselves but football couldn't do it. Football fans were generally mainly angry that the actions of one club had damaged everyone. Heysel has been virtually erased from memory and fans carried on the same. It took Hillsborough to give the govt power to affect change and make fans wake up a little bit. Football is now a different, middle class sport and in many ways is all the better for it. As a working class man who has been priced out of the game and sees just what a massive change it's been I feel a lot has been lost. But I still love football. I hold CFC fans partly responsible for Hillsborough. I hold innocent football fans who ran into packed stadiums even though there were clearly problems ahead partly responsible. Yes, they wanted to see a match and they were missing it. But they also should have damn well known about the trouble of overcrowding. They had a warning only 4 years previously FFS. They chose to be blind to that warning. I do hold Duckenfield hugely responsible. But he was a ignorant victim just like everyone else was. He didn't mean to cause those deaths. But this conspiracy that is being painted leading to Thatcher. It doesn't effing exist. Only 1 man was responsible for The Truth. It was that utter cretin and terrible journalist KM. That c*** pretty much deserves to die. But Maggie. Stay the eff away from her on this one, even though you really don't want to. Anyway, I'm done ranting. I had sorted my head out over the last few days. I don't want to be messing it up again. Accept what I say in the spirit it's meant or just ignore it. I'm done with this s***.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:00 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

cod'ead. I was calling you Labour because it was shorthand for saying socialist. I don't want to write a 10,000 word essay that I know is not going to be read anyway.

My political leaning is to simply not GAF and to ignore them all. The only thing politicians want you for is your vote. The main people to benefit from a party change at the top are the politicians themselves. Poor people are still screwed whoever is in charge, rich people are still the important ones whoever is in charge.

Having said that I trust virtually every politician about as far as I can throw them (using only the power of my mind). If I had to express my poltical leanings then I would say I am definitely a socialist/communist. But I don't want the corrupt communist and socialist system of the past, I want a transparent communism/socialism that rewards genuine great work while also making sure that the weakest in society are looked after. Having these thoughts is difficult when near 1/4 of my life has been spent inside a country that has effectively made commie/socialist a very effective insult.

I hate you. I think you have at least a massive dislike and disrespect of me. I have personality flaws that rile you. I see arrogance in you that pi55es me off and wants to fight you to the death over. You think we are both massively different. I think we see the world fairly similarly and should actually be able to enjoy great conversation and a pint together and like each other. I also know that's impossible seeing that I'm an effing mute and don't drink.

The TV stations reporting on the news about the recent life of CR basically explained that Cliff lives alone with a man (I think he used to be a priest). They pretty much called him room mate/life partner/personal assistant etc etc etc. They hinted that Cliff was gay but never came out and said it. Even though Cliff probably has a sprawling 3 bed apartment, it is my personal belief that to share on heating costs (times are tough for everyone these days) Cliff and his "friend" sleep together in the same bed.

I know I have made jibes directly towards you that are offensive. I know you probably think I'm a homophobe and transphobic. I swear to every god I don't believe in that I'm not. I just reserve the right to be a c*** to people who deserve it. I know that actually make me a bit of a c***. I can accept that.

The whole J96 campaign, Rotherham CSE, complaints about SYP that are being aggressively persued. I see a subplot of giving SYP a right kicking because they are perceived as Maggie's special attack force. The Hillsborough Commission is clearly going to implicate Maggie in the plot and is going to declare football fans 100% innocent. As I say I have zero interest in politics and have no agenda regarding Thatcher. But to say Thatcher hated football fans and was waging war with them is a lie. Maggie had the zero interest in football and just wanted the hooligans to stop causing the damage they did. She wanted football to do it themselves but football couldn't do it. Football fans were generally mainly angry that the actions of one club had damaged everyone. Heysel has been virtually erased from memory and fans carried on the same. It took Hillsborough to give the govt power to affect change and make fans wake up a little bit. Football is now a different, middle class sport and in many ways is all the better for it. As a working class man who has been priced out of the game and sees just what a massive change it's been I feel a lot has been lost. But I still love football.

I hold CFC fans partly responsible for Hillsborough. I hold innocent football fans who ran into packed stadiums even though there were clearly problems ahead partly responsible. Yes, they wanted to see a match and they were missing it. But they also should have damn well known about the trouble of overcrowding. They had a warning only 4 years previously FFS. They chose to be blind to that warning. I do hold Duckenfield hugely responsible. But he was a ignorant victim just like everyone else was. He didn't mean to cause those deaths. But this conspiracy that is being painted leading to Thatcher. It doesn't effing exist. Only 1 man was responsible for The Truth. It was that utter cretin and terrible journalist KM. That c*** pretty much deserves to die. But Maggie. Stay the eff away from her on this one, even though you really don't want to.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. I had sorted my head out over the last few days. I don't want to be messing it up again. Accept what I say in the spirit it's meant or just ignore it. I'm done with this s***.

You need to change your meds

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:06 pm  

Or start taking some

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:02 pm  

****'s just not worth it.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:10 pm  

You could always go down south for a meet up.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:21 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

If you're ever in Huddersfield and want to meet up for an end to this all you need to do is send me a PM. And I'm not meaning a chat, you worthless POS.

LOL

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:40 pm  

It just occurred to me the irony of being warned over my suggestion that TV hinted Cliff Richard was gay.

At least two members of this forum have alluded to him being on a list of possible paedos in the B&B. I think many mentions have been made reference to his kitty nickname or whatever that is. Cliff's going to be fine with that. But the lawyers are going to be straight round over someone assuming he's gay?

Why would the news mention that he was living with another man if they weren't hinting at something?