Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:37 am  

Dally wrote: What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London? As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Dally wrote: What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London? As a group they're net contributors, I'm not sure how I could have said that any simpler. Think about it Dally. Joe Bloggs ( ) from Poland arrives in the UK at 20. He's cost the government £0 in education, he's fit, healthy and ready to work, his cost to the NHS minimal, he gets a job, pays rent and pays tax. Lower paid jobs or not, they put more into the system than they take out of it. http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... er-done-us http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... itish-jobs https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu- ... y-receive/ Despite what your Bible the Daily Mail has indoctrinated you to think, these people are not the financial burden that elements of the media want us to think they are.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:53 am  

Sorry, but some of the comments and posters who frequently blabber outright embarrassing nonsensical ignorance really need to pull their hypnotic heads away from their Television sets.

Why can't people see through this pantomime? It is so blatant that they have pulled numbers out of a hat, for who is to be in the ''remain'' camp and who is to be in the exit camp. Both from the same stable, talk about a controlled opposition. Thing is, people actually talk about this as being a real genuine vote and that's what gets me. Even reading this thread, there are people out there who take this vote as real, it's not them that irritate me but it is the ones that have manipulated them into believing this tripe. I have sympathy for those that can't see it but I also find the ignorance a little frustrating at times. Sometimes I feel like squashing people's faces into the television screen when BBC News is on and scream in their ears, "This isn't real, damn you". But I know I can't, I need to be patient and kind to them, otherwise, I become what I'm attempting to expose.

When they make us remain then we will get more draconian enforcement laws and the taking away of the final freedom of speech rights by the EU.

OR

If the election was genuine, there's no doubt Brexit would annihilate the ''remain'' vote then they will blame a worldwide economic collapse on us and force us into a financial situation that will become so unbearable, that we will beg to be allowed back in and will be allowed back in with no rights whatsoever.

I don't want to be the one that brings the dark cloud over but we're doomed whatever it goes, unfortunately.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:25 pm  

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:31 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

I wouldn't dream of disputing any of what you've posted , but as I said , I've seen 1 st hand the strain immigration has placed on both the NHS and Education , I do feel we need to address it because if we don't it will become a problem IMO

Yes we do need to address it - by funding the NHS properly, rather than imposing swingeing cuts to drive it to it's knees, then allowing the private sector to rescue it; which is exactly what Brexit poster boys Johnson and Gove will do, with Farage cheering them on from the fringes.

Immigration, or more accurately the *fear* of immigration, has been cynically used by the Leave campaign to explain away many of the ills of society; like it or not, it's a fact that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy. They do *not* get special status when it comes to social housing and they can't come here just to claim benefits. Several industries, including the NHS, would collapse without them. I don't disagree that infrastructure needs to keep up - but that's not a reason to leave the EU - it's a reason for the government to properly fund public services, which have been starved of money since the coalition government and remain so today.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:55 pm  

I'm not going to say that all people who vote leave are racist or xenophobes but all racists and xenophobes will vote leave.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:11 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

I'm not going to say that all people who vote leave are racist or xenophobes but all racists and xenophobes will vote leave.

Indeed.

I find those who are voting for Brexit to be one or more of the following:

Utterly ignorant
Suckers (Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers in particular)
Racists & Xenophobes
People with an ideology of living in a 'little England'
Old people who've never left the town they were born in

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:39 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Indeed.

I find those who are voting for Brexit to be one or more of the following:

Utterly ignorant (nope)
Suckers (Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers in particular) (awful papers)
Racists & Xenophobes (recently divorced from a Pole)
People with an ideology of living in a 'little England' (little government for me)
Old people who've never left the town they were born in(200 miles away from Warrington, late 30s)

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:38 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Yes we do need to address it - by funding the NHS properly, rather than imposing swingeing cuts to drive it to it's knees, then allowing the private sector to rescue it; which is exactly what Brexit poster boys Johnson and Gove will do, with Farage cheering them on from the fringes.

Immigration, or more accurately the *fear* of immigration, has been cynically used by the Leave campaign to explain away many of the ills of society; like it or not, it's a fact that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy. They do *not* get special status when it comes to social housing and they can't come here just to claim benefits. Several industries, including the NHS, would collapse without them. I don't disagree that infrastructure needs to keep up - but that's not a reason to leave the EU - it's a reason for the government to properly fund public services, which have been starved of money since the coalition government and remain so today.

I noticed you didn't quote my whole post

At what level do you think it might become a problem ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:40 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Next they'll be telling us the Earth is flat ...

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:43 pm  

Foxtrot Echo wrote:

Sorry, but some of the comments and posters who frequently blabber outright embarrassing nonsensical ignorance really need to pull their hypnotic heads away from their Television sets.

Why can't people see through this pantomime? It is so blatant that they have pulled numbers out of a hat, for who is to be in the ''remain'' camp and who is to be in the exit camp. Both from the same stable, talk about a controlled opposition. Thing is, people actually talk about this as being a real genuine vote and that's what gets me. Even reading this thread, there are people out there who take this vote as real, it's not them that irritate me but it is the ones that have manipulated them into believing this tripe. I have sympathy for those that can't see it but I also find the ignorance a little frustrating at times. Sometimes I feel like squashing people's faces into the television screen when BBC News is on and scream in their ears, "This isn't real, damn you". But I know I can't, I need to be patient and kind to them, otherwise, I become what I'm attempting to expose.

When they make us remain then we will get more draconian enforcement laws and the taking away of the final freedom of speech rights by the EU.

OR

If the election was genuine, there's no doubt Brexit would annihilate the ''remain'' vote then they will blame a worldwide economic collapse on us and force us into a financial situation that will become so unbearable, that we will beg to be allowed back in and will be allowed back in with no rights whatsoever.

I don't want to be the one that brings the dark cloud over but we're doomed whatever it goes, unfortunately.

Hi Stanley