Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:52 am  

Don't really understand the outcome of the enquirey, but if todays front page of the Mirror is anything to go by, then, we'll end up with a press like they have in china, where only certain things will be allowed to be reported.

today's front page is yet again, another paedophile arrested/questioned. this never stopped the press, a few weeks ago, naming Glitter, Starr et al, yet I saw nothing on the news about it last night. Learned nothing from Lord McAlpine? tb


I'm afraid Cameron's responce was just a token jesture. Whatever Leverson recommended, will, uktimately, be followed and made law. Meaning the end of investigative journalism and stories like, mps fiddling expenses, paedos in high office being given carte blanche, celebrities tax dodging etc.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:21 am  

Live Wired wrote:

Don't really understand the outcome of the enquirey, but if todays front page of the Mirror is anything to go by, then, we'll end up with a press like they have in china, where only certain things will be allowed to be reported.

today's front page is yet again, another paedophile arrested/questioned. this never stopped the press, a few weeks ago, naming Glitter, Starr et al, yet I saw nothing on the news about it last night.

I'm afraid Cameron's responce was just a token jesture. Whatever Leverson recommended, will, uktimately, be followed and made law. Meaning the end of investigative journalism and stories like, mps fiddling expenses, paedos in high office being given carte blanche, celebrities tax dodging etc.

Looks like the tabloid spin has worked on you then. Quite where you get the "end to investigative journalism" from is beyond me but it certainly wasn't contained or even hinted at in Leveson's report.

Cameron has ordered the DCMS to come up with a bill to be presented to parliament. It's odds on that they will conjure up such draconian measures that even Mugabe may baulk at implimenting it. It has nothing to do with press freedoms and everything to do with continuing to fellate Rupert Murdoch. We currently suffer under a press that is owned by Victorian-era barons and is anything but free. At least Leveson would enshrine that freedom in statute and give protection to those journalists who may suffer from a need to toe the proprietors' line.

I see they're now dangling the carrot of Lord Chief Justice in front of Leveson, in the hope that he'll be inclined to abandon the remainder of his investigation.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:23 am  

Live Wired wrote:

Don't really understand the outcome of the enquirey, but if todays front page of the Mirror is anything to go by, then, we'll end up with a press like they have in china, where only certain things will be allowed to be reported.

today's front page is yet again, another paedophile arrested/questioned. this never stopped the press, a few weeks ago, naming Glitter, Starr et al, yet I saw nothing on the news about it last night. Learned nothing from Lord McAlpine? tb

I'm afraid Cameron's responce was just a token jesture. Whatever Leverson recommended, will, uktimately, be followed and made law. Meaning the end of investigative journalism and stories like, mps fiddling expenses, paedos in high office being given carte blanche, celebrities tax dodging etc.

I haven't read the report in full, but even with what I have read indicates your fears are unfounded. The recommendations are for an independent panel to oversee the press, the only legislation he is recommending is that this be done. There will be no serving editors or politicians on the panel. I like the bit about costs being paid by the papers if they don't join in.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:43 am  

cod'ead wrote: I see they're now dangling the carrot of Lord Chief Justice in front of Leveson, in the hope that he'll be inclined to abandon the remainder of his investigation. 6/4 to be the next Lord Chief Justice (Paddy Power). http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/126652

cod'ead wrote: I see they're now dangling the carrot of Lord Chief Justice in front of Leveson, in the hope that he'll be inclined to abandon the remainder of his investigation. 6/4 to be the next Lord Chief Justice (Paddy Power). http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/126652

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:07 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Looks like the tabloid spin has worked on you then. Quite where you get the "end to investigative journalism" from is beyond me but it certainly wasn't contained or even hinted at in Leveson's report.

Cameron has ordered the DCMS to come up with a bill to be presented to parliament. It's odds on that they will conjure up such draconian measures that even Mugabe may baulk at implimenting it. It has nothing to do with press freedoms and everything to do with continuing to fellate Rupert Murdoch. We currently suffer under a press that is owned by Victorian-era barons and is anything but free. At least Leveson would enshrine that freedom in statute and give protection to those journalists who may suffer from a need to toe the proprietors' line.

I see they're now dangling the carrot of Lord Chief Justice in front of Leveson, in the hope that he'll be inclined to abandon the remainder of his investigation.

Yup. Without press support Cameron is completely dead. "PR man who got lucky" - Max Mosely was on fine form on Newsnight, while the Tories wheeled out Jacob "Harry Potter" Reece-Mogg (funnily enough as son of a former editor of the Times he was bitterly opposed to any legislation).

I was rather surprised that Hunt and Cameron and the boys in blue all seemed to come out smelling of roses. Leveson is still a judge and still part of the establishment in the end I suppose.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 am  

As Billy Bragg just tweeted:

Billy Bragg ‏@billybragg

Why do those papers that shout loudest about the rights of the victims suddenly seem concerned about the rights of offenders?

And from Stephen Fry:

Stephen Fry ‏@stephenfry

It would seem David Cameron's address is no longer Number 10 Downing Street: it's now Flat 2, Rupert Murdoch's arse.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:45 pm  

I'm completely baffled by the widely held notion that we currently have a free press to threaten.

With the mass of existing D-notices, "official secrets", super-injunctions - not to mention the overwhelmingly centre to centre-right ideological slant of not just the newspapers but the BBC is it even possible to squeeze any more regulation into the box?

I mean, 85% of what the press puts out as news today is simply reporting what the Prime Minister and his lackeys say. It's simply inconceivable that they would ever question whether what is being said is a pack of lies.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:10 pm  

So that's god knows how many thousands of hours of evidence and millions of pounds of cost to the taxpayer, to decide that it's as you were chaps except the PCC is going to have a couple more (albeit fairly blunt) teeth?

Other than knowing that Cameron needs to ring his wife to find out where they had dinner last week, pretty much a giant waste of everyone's time and effort.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:07 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

So that's god knows how many thousands of hours of evidence and millions of pounds of cost to the taxpayer, to decide that it's as you were chaps except the PCC is going to have a couple more (albeit fairly blunt) teeth?

Other than knowing that Cameron needs to ring his wife to find out where they had dinner last week, pretty much a giant waste of everyone's time and effort.

Pretty much spot on.....At a time of supposed national hardship, this has been a disgraceful waste of public money....Cameron should also be ashamed of himself for so brazenly rejecting the reccomendations set out by Leveson.

Personally, I think the only way change will ever happen, is if people get out of the habit of actually reading and buying these newspapers who blatantly set out to ignore the feelings of the general public and instead just push their own agenda.

Re: Leveson - squeaky bum time? : Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:03 pm  

Would he ignore a petition ? http://hackinginquiry.org/ The video is a cracker LOL - Greg gets a copy too, I'm already on his mailing list, wonder if I'll get a personal response - watch this space.

Would he ignore a petition ? http://hackinginquiry.org/ The video is a cracker LOL - Greg gets a copy too, I'm already on his mailing list, wonder if I'll get a personal response - watch this space.