Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:28 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

One memorable quote from that article...

Each week for eight months, 32 people died who had been removed from the benefits system.

Given that even my old mate who died in a hospice at the age of 52 from an inoperable brain tumour could still press the morphine button as long as someone had placed it in his hand that morning, then that one criteria would class him as being fit to work according to the ATOS spokesperson who in turn insists that they are just following government instructions.

That makes me sick.

A colleague worked up to the day before she died of cancer. So, did these 32 people per week die because they were declared fit for work or simply because of their illness? Is it impossible for people to work with an illness?

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:28 pm  

BobbyD wrote: His constituents did. Yes, unscrupulously fair, just as this nurse, who quit in 2009 says. Oh, sorry, wrong article, still it makes good reading. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... er-1340838 Then when you get Reeves, and more people suffer as she's promised, your whining will fall on deaf ears. And by the way, if you read the article correctly it says that back then Atos were the decision makers and were (as is now) on a commission for everyone they get off the benefit. The decision is now down to the DWP (IDS's own department), Atos just provide the necessary "Health Care Professionals" to do the assessments.

BobbyD wrote: His constituents did. Yes, unscrupulously fair, just as this nurse, who quit in 2009 says. Oh, sorry, wrong article, still it makes good reading. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... er-1340838 Then when you get Reeves, and more people suffer as she's promised, your whining will fall on deaf ears. And by the way, if you read the article correctly it says that back then Atos were the decision makers and were (as is now) on a commission for everyone they get off the benefit. The decision is now down to the DWP (IDS's own department), Atos just provide the necessary "Health Care Professionals" to do the assessments.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:34 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

A colleague worked up to the day before she died of cancer. So, did these 32 people per week die because they were declared fit for work or simply because of their illness? Is it impossible for people to work with an illness?

Your ignorance is truly shocking and typical of Tory thinking. I just hope one day you don't become terminally ill or have a disability, as I wouldn't wish my illness on my enemies. And if you did, I trust you wouldn't claim any benefits whatsoever and work until the minute you die, no matter what your level of illness or pain. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you make a judgement on them.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:45 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

And by the way, if you read the article correctly it says that back then Atos were the decision makers and were (as is now) on a commission for everyone they get off the benefit. The decision is now down to the DWP (IDS's own department), Atos just provide the necessary "Health Care Professionals" to do the assessments.

Look, it's fine, you don't need to defend your clearly hypocritical stance.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:47 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Your ignorance is truly shocking and typical of Tory thinking. I just hope one day you don't become terminally ill or have a disability, as I wouldn't wish my illness on my enemies. And if you did, I trust you wouldn't claim any benefits whatsoever and work until the minute you die, no matter what your level of illness or pain. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you make a judgement on them.

Yet I'm not the one voting for these measures that are apparently killing people. Go and have a look in the mirror. You've got your money or in other words, "I'm alright, Jack".

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:48 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Look, it's fine, you don't need to defend your clearly hypocritical stance.

See my above post.

I fail to see how I can be hypocritical when I know it was Labour who brought in Atos for trialling and I also know (from experience, not just made up lies) that this government changed the criteria and descriptors for ESA?

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:51 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Yet I'm not the one voting for these measures that are apparently killing people. Go and have a look in the mirror. You've got your money or in other words, "I'm alright, Jack".

Wow, you really are something else!! Its because I'm alright Jack that I still belong to and use the disability/benefit groups online. Its because I'm alright Jack that I went on a protest against the bedroom tax even though it doesn't affect me. Its because I'm alright Jack that I sign and promote petitions regarding the treatment of ESA/PIP applicants.

Yeah, I'm alright Jack.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:56 pm  

If you consider it to be 'bad' under this Government then you won't be voting for Labour at the next election as have said they will be tougher than the Tories on benefits.

Remember a vote for Labour will mean it is worse than it is now.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:59 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Wow, you really are something else!! Its because I'm alright Jack that I still belong to and use the disability/benefit groups online. Its because I'm alright Jack that I went on a protest against the bedroom tax even though it doesn't affect me. Its because I'm alright Jack that I sign and promote petitions regarding the treatment of ESA/PIP applicants.

Yeah, I'm alright Jack.

And come 2015 you'll vote for a party that promises to be nastier than the Tories on those less fortunate despite telling us how nasty they are.

Re: A Contemporary Christmas Carol : Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:02 pm  

Ajw71 wrote: If you consider it to be 'bad' under this Government then you won't be voting for Labour at the next election as have said they will be tougher than the Tories on benefits. Remember a vote for Labour will mean it is worse than it is now. Oh really? http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... in-2289694 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013 ... r-25-neets http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... 70129.html

Ajw71 wrote: If you consider it to be 'bad' under this Government then you won't be voting for Labour at the next election as have said they will be tougher than the Tories on benefits. Remember a vote for Labour will mean it is worse than it is now. Oh really? http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... in-2289694 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013 ... r-25-neets http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09 ... 70129.html