Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:13 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Listening to a piece on Newsnight yesterday, they were saying that although the vaccine will prevent you getting ill, they dont believe that it will prevent those people continuing to spread the virus, although, they are still researching this aspect.

As you say, they don't know that yet and are still working on it. It's very difficult to determine that in a short time, usually this stuff takes years and years to work out. I would be surprised if any vaccine didn't significantly reduce the chances of a vaccinated individual to transmit the virus. The vaccine will reduce viral load and that should (in theory) reduce the chances of it spreading from that individual to another.

Thought Fauci was being a bit of a dick yesterday. The FDA is not the "gold standard" for regulatory approval, what they are is the gatekeeper to the largest drug market in the world - so surprise, surprise, everyone develops product to fit their model. In fact they made fools of themselves early on in the pandemic by giving out EUA's to every pile of crap test that came along including giving an EUA to Hydroxychloroquine back in March which they then had to revoke in June. So they will spend an extra week looking at the Pfizer data before approval - big deal. I suppose anything to give the American Moderna vaccine a chance to "catch up".

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:07 pm  

DHM wrote:

As you say, they don't know that yet and are still working on it. It's very difficult to determine that in a short time, usually this stuff takes years and years to work out. I would be surprised if any vaccine didn't significantly reduce the chances of a vaccinated individual to transmit the virus. The vaccine will reduce viral load and that should (in theory) reduce the chances of it spreading from that individual to another.

Thought Fauci was being a bit of a dick yesterday. The FDA is not the "gold standard" for regulatory approval, what they are is the gatekeeper to the largest drug market in the world - so surprise, surprise, everyone develops product to fit their model. In fact they made fools of themselves early on in the pandemic by giving out EUA's to every pile of crap test that came along including giving an EUA to Hydroxychloroquine back in March which they then had to revoke in June. So they will spend an extra week looking at the Pfizer data before approval - big deal. I suppose anything to give the American Moderna vaccine a chance to "catch up".

They have a different way of validating their vaccines.
Apparently, "we" have taken the data on "trust" but, the Americans will do their own trials before just accepting the date from Pfizer.
In fairness, this seems the right thing to do although I'm happy to accept that this stuff is beyond my pay grade

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:21 am  

The Americans are always having to guard against legal recriminations so, theres really no driver to be first past the post. Mid table anonominity is a much safer place.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:08 pm  

I work for the Department of Health & Social Care but for these purposes I presume that I don't work IN Health & Social Care. So could be 2nd on the list or 11th.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:09 am  

wrencat1873 wrote: They have a different way of validating their vaccines. Apparently, "we" have taken the data on "trust" but, the Americans will do their own trials before just accepting the date from Pfizer. In fairness, this seems the right thing to do although I'm happy to accept that this stuff is beyond my pay grade What they actually said was that they will review the data a little longer - about 10 days. The "trials" have already been done. Data has been shared from the start of work on safety and efficacy for the purpose of speeding up the approvals process. The issue they have is the massive anti-vax movement in the US which dwarfs what we have here. I may have been a bit harsh on Fauci, he was pushed by an over the top Sky reporter bragging about the UK being first. He's got a much tougher (stupider) audience in the US to satisfy. They are totally invested in the Pfizer vaccine and have been for months. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explain ... index.html

wrencat1873 wrote: They have a different way of validating their vaccines. Apparently, "we" have taken the data on "trust" but, the Americans will do their own trials before just accepting the date from Pfizer. In fairness, this seems the right thing to do although I'm happy to accept that this stuff is beyond my pay grade What they actually said was that they will review the data a little longer - about 10 days. The "trials" have already been done. Data has been shared from the start of work on safety and efficacy for the purpose of speeding up the approvals process. The issue they have is the massive anti-vax movement in the US which dwarfs what we have here. I may have been a bit harsh on Fauci, he was pushed by an over the top Sky reporter bragging about the UK being first. He's got a much tougher (stupider) audience in the US to satisfy. They are totally invested in the Pfizer vaccine and have been for months. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explain ... index.html

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:14 am  

silver2 wrote:

The Americans are always having to guard against legal recriminations so, theres really no driver to be first past the post. Mid table anonominity is a much safer place.

European governments are underwriting vaccine companies for such eventualities.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:03 pm  

Rupert Murdoch, health tourist, has got his jab on the NHS just as his top Fox News man, Tucker Carlson, is sowing doubt around the coronavirus vaccines.

What a time to be alive.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:22 am  

Does it work on this new strain?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:36 am  

Jack Burton wrote:

Does it work on this new strain?

No reason to think it won't. There are already several strains, 9 I think, the original L strain is pretty much extinct now.

[Bullseye]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:03 am  

Can't help but think that it's going to take far longer to vaccinate than is being put about by the government. All this "back to some sort of normality by Easter" stuff is very optimistic indeed. We've heard this sort of thing before.