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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:52 am  
Well done to St.Helens and Wigan for voting leave 49.7/50.3 L/R a of 02:49hrs but signs that it's a vote for leaving the EU, a top Labour bod contacted the BBC to say Remain would lose. Whether that's because they wanted to sway the odds or not who knows!
Scousers voting to stay in...fackin scabs, London predictably remain, Scots can go do one as well!
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 am  
What's interesting looking at the results is the geographic divides. Scotland clearly wants to remain, England although a net leaver ATM is very patchy. Another way to look at it is that a leave vote will at least make life interesting for a couple of years, as a negotiation would then have to ensue with the EU on terms. I'd tend to think that even a leave vote won't necessarily mean leaving - it would give Cameron (or whoever) much more leverage in negotiations with the EU. Sadly all they'd probably need to swing the vote would be for the UK to retain the right to control immigration.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:11 am  
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When a large amount are xenophobes and racists what do you expect?


It seems we/they are in the majority , so when are you leaving , I assume you wouldn't want to live in a country like that ?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:25 am  
The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum!!!
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:18 am  
Whingers move to one side, adapt or resign.
Right or wrong the decision is made.

We need leaders to drive this country forward now ... not whingers killing confidence.

Slagging off the electorate is sour grapes.

Civil war anyone?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:59 am  
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Civil war anyone?


Sign me up while the goings good.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:00 am  
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So what you're saying is that you're willing to dismiss any type of scientific study, no matter what the source, because you think you're right anyway?
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What I'm specifically saying is that I don't put great weight in cost benefit studies that don't make a rigorous attempt to capture all the costs, because I know that such studies are inherently flawed (cost benefit analysis was a compulsory topic when I studied undergraduate economics, but I think it's fairly intuitive that if you don't include all costs and benefits then it's going to be flawed). So whenever I see one of these studies my first instinct is to look for any externalities, think of it like checking to see if there's an engine under the bonnet before you buy a car, and I know that these types of cost benefit studies tend to suffer the same problems and I'm not alone in knowing this. My broader point was that "studies" produced by special interest groups are primarily intended to produce PR fodder supporting the agenda of said special interests rather than being serious policy tools and that always needs to be factored in (which goes back to my specific point about checking how rigorous the construction of the study is).
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:01 am  
It will be interesting to see how the EU reacts now. On the one hand the EU leadership has been resisting meaningful reform for years and will be royally p1$$ed off at what is probably the first heavy defeat to resisting reform. So they might be tempted to be punitive to frighten citizens of other members. On the other hand this strengthens all the other movements for reform across the EU to the point that reform now has to be addressed and punitive action against the UK would just do more damage. The first thing the EU needs to do is get rid of Jean-Claude Juncker, his threats about no more reform deals turned out to be more of a liability than a strength.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:04 am  
The only people congratulating the UK this morning are far right parties.

People should feel a little uncomfortable about that.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? : Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:24 am  
When Cameron went to get a better deal for the UK and considering we are the 2nd biggest contributor and they all dug their heals in and basically said 'pi$$ off' have now lost literally billions, due to being stubborn and obstinate and completely and arrogantly refusing to reform and listen to the masses.
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