Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 2:14 pm  

You keep banging on about opportunity and aspiration. Where's the opportunity and aspiration in working for a company who is taking all and giving back nothing?

You've completely overlooked the fact he gave people jobs, ones which each and every employee accepted on the T&C agreed. OK not a great place to work. As long as he was Legally compliant what more exactly are you after? After gaining experience there is nothing stopping you moving up the ladder elsewhere. The days of staying at the village pit for 50 years are long gone.

It really irritates me when I hear people moaning about the manager or the business. Get to work, get your job done and get paid. If you manage to get into a company that provides private medical insurance, fresh fruit, share incentives etc then lucky for you.

Why are you bothered that he has 4 flashy cars? Just what has it to do with you. If the company had gone under and he lost his house, would you have bailed him out.... of course not. He took the gamble, he took the risk and he won. So what if he wasn't a graphic designer, I doubt the head of South west trains has been a train conductor.

Never has opportunity been greater than it is today, never.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 2:25 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Never has opportunity been greater than it is today, never.

I don't think you understand the concept of opportunity.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 2:36 pm  

I don't think you understand the concept of opportunity.

Whats brought you to that conclusion?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 2:43 pm  

I've just received my letter from Rt Hon Theresa May outlining her vision and asking me to back my local MP Michael Gove! Im unsure why she has sent letters around here as sure as eggs are eggs Surrey Heath will be Blue on June 8. Thoughtful of her all the same.
2 pages long and 'Conservative' doesn't appear once

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 3:18 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

It doesn't necessarily have to go that far. I'm not suggesting wealth re-distribution on a massive scale, but the value of workers could be appreciated a bit more among plenty of businesses. Does this country need a strong workforce or are we happy to just carry on with low skilled, low paid labourers and immigrant workers filling in where necessary?

From personal experience I've worked in companies where they will do their utmost to ensure its workers are continually trained and educated to perform their job to the best of their ability. You usually find a successful company, a happy workforce and a very low turnover of staff, everyone's a winner. On the other hand I've worked in companies where the employees are a means to an end, a commodity, and the attitude at the top is 'when he/she leaves we'll just get someone else in to do it cheaper, and if they leave we'll get someone else, and if they leave...'. You usually find a business doing well in terms of profit for the owner but hideously bad in terms of it's workforce. I worked at one design agency where there was a turnover of over 60 staff in 18 months from the bottom to upper management level. Even the receptionist and the van drivers had enough and left for god's sake! But it was all alright because the owner had 4 flash cars and went on holiday 5 times a year. Ok, he'd created the business in the first place but he'd never actually designed a thing in his life. He just used 20 grand to set a few designers on and went from there.

You keep banging on about opportunity and aspiration. Where's the opportunity and aspiration in working for a company who is taking all and giving back nothing?

So it begs the question if it were so easy why haven't these designers put the £20k and cut him out? It could be because they were not prepared to risk the loss and their has to be a return on the risk that capitalism.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 3:22 pm  

The Tories, or more correctly Lynton Crosby, have no doubt decided the Conservative brand makes people retch, whereas Submarine May is infinitely more popular than Jezza, so that's what's on the side of the bus. Not policies, personalities.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 3:30 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

You've completely overlooked the fact he gave people jobs, ones which each and every employee accepted on the T&C agreed. OK not a great place to work. As long as he was Legally compliant what more exactly are you after? After gaining experience there is nothing stopping you moving up the ladder elsewhere. The days of staying at the village pit for 50 years are long gone.

T&Cs agreed? The only thing you signed when taking a job there was the opting out of the 48-hour week. It was the most bizarre place I've ever worked. New starters would start on Monday morning then by Wednesday lunchtime they'd go for lunch and not come back. When you asked where they'd gone you were told they'd been sacked for working too slow. After 2 and a half days in the job?????!!!!! Sorry, that's not opportunity in my books. And where exactly do you find it acceptable for a boss to line up every employee and personally walk down the line telling them who and who isn't in danger of losing their job? Or the time one of the lad's wives had a miscarriage so he took the day off to be with her at the hospital, all the boss wanted to know on his return is if he was putting it in as a sick day or a holiday as it was his wife's problem, not his. Talk about compassion!

Ironically, the guy really liked me because I'd already got experience and could rattle off the work, however, the feeling wasn't mutual and when I got a promotion and a pay rise I took it, then pretty much threw it back in his face by leaving for even more elsewhere.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 3:31 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

I've just received my letter from Rt Hon Theresa May outlining her vision and asking me to back my local MP Michael Gove! Im unsure why she has sent letters around here as sure as eggs are eggs Surrey Heath will be Blue on June 8. Thoughtful of her all the same.
2 pages long and 'Conservative' doesn't appear once

Aren't you lucky.
I'm not sure that the "true" Conservatives of yesteryear would think that she was a True Tory ?
Mind you hitting the poor old pensioners may be an indication that she hasn't washed all of the blue dye out just yet.
And she's still promising to get immigration down to 10's of 000's.
Seven years she's been peddling that lie and it wont happen in the next 5.
Plus an "extra" 8 billion for the NHS, that her representative on "the Daily Politics" couldn't confirm whether it was extra or just the money already promised, which, coincidentally, was £8 billion.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 3:33 pm  

DGM wrote:

I don't think you understand the concept of opportunity.

The opportunity for anyone wanting to take a risk as good as they have always been.

There are plenty of people with money willing to risk that money backing what they consider a good idea

I have always found the more you put in the more you get out - if you think everyone owes you a certain lifestyle then you have a problem - no wonder socialism never worked.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 18, 2017 4:29 pm  

Ironically, the guy really liked me because I'd already got experience and could rattle off the work, however, the feeling wasn't mutual and when I got a promotion and a pay rise I took it, then pretty much threw it back in his face by leaving for even more elsewhere.

On an earlier thread you mentioned there was no opportunity etc, you need to make your mind up. There's 2 in one sentence.