Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:24 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Do we appear to have a shortage of ventilators? not according to the NHS and the shortage of PPE now seems to have been a bit of a red herring used to bash the government too.

Really ???

Why on earth have "we" just ordered so many more, are they just for show.

As for PPE, your comments would be hilarious if the issue wasn't so utterly desperate - you're obviously on the wind up or stupid

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:33 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Really ???

Why on earth have "we" just ordered so many more, are they just for show.

As for PPE, your comments would be hilarious if the issue wasn't so utterly desperate - you're obviously on the wind up or stupid

Of course we have it is getting used and disposed of so if we don't order more then we will run out - is that beyond your comprehension or are you just on the wind up or being stupid?

We are seeing the deaths fall, we have a 4000 bed hospital with hardly anybody in it - we have plenty of ventilators and I don't the NHS saying front line people have no PPE? Perhaps we have over estimated the impact on the NHS? The temporary hospital in Harrogate will be obsolete before it opens

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:55 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course we have it is getting used and disposed of so if we don't order more then we will run out - is that beyond your comprehension or are you just on the wind up or being stupid?

We are seeing the deaths fall, we have a 4000 bed hospital with hardly anybody in it - we have plenty of ventilators and I don't the NHS saying front line people have no PPE? Perhaps we have over estimated the impact on the NHS? The temporary hospital in Harrogate will be obsolete before it opens

Jesus.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:56 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

the shortage of PPE now seems to have been a bit of a red herring used to bash the government too.

[Durham Giant]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course we have it is getting used and disposed of so if we don't order more then we will run out - is that beyond your comprehension or are you just on the wind up or being stupid?

We are seeing the deaths fall, we have a 4000 bed hospital with hardly anybody in it - we have plenty of ventilators and I don't the NHS saying front line people have no PPE? Perhaps we have over estimated the impact on the NHS? The temporary hospital in Harrogate will be obsolete before it opens

NHS staff saying they do not have enough PPE.

Directors of adult services saying the lack of PPE is shambolic.

Sal saying what is the problem. I don’t know what they are all On about

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:39 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

:STUPID:

NHS staff saying they do not have enough PPE.

Directors of adult services saying the lack of PPE is shambolic.

Sal saying what is the problem. I don’t know what they are all On about

So show me recent examples of NHS staff without sufficient PPE?

Hospital cleaner in London on Channel 4 news - no problem in his hospital with PPE - Ambulance worker in Wales the same

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:10 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So show me recent examples of NHS staff without sufficient PPE?

Can only go off personal experience and trust you'lll belive what I'm saying but of my two nieces, one grandniece and daughter in law, who work in the N.H.S. only one, the youngest, employed in a hospital given over entirely to care for covid 19 victims, received full P.P.E. kit, just last Thursday.

I'm no Tory, never have and never will be but I think most people deserve a fair shake in what they do. My conclusion so far is that this lot are bodgeing the job and they'd better get their finger out P.D.Q

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:49 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So show me recent examples of NHS staff without sufficient PPE?

Hospital cleaner in London on Channel 4 news - no problem in his hospital with PPE - Ambulance worker in Wales the same

Have you got news blackout where you live ??

You looked daft with your earlier comments and your looking more and more out of touch with every post.
There are many, many shortages of PPE, Birmingham Council with just 2 days supply of aprons, care homes galore without the relevant PPE, nurses being told that they have to limit themselves to less than safe quantities etc, etc, etc, etc.

My previous comment, in response to you saying there was no shortage of ventilators was again laughable.
If we are so flush with this equipment, why on earth do we have Ford, McLaren and Airbus, changing their manufacture to produce them.

I know that you love everything Tory and you dont care if anyone dies but, FFS take your head out of the sand.

UK deaths although almost at their peak are still rising pretty quickly and the Government aren't counting all of them yet.

Compare the UK to Germany and you can see just how effective we are as a nation, it's pitiful
Our health minister was telling us only 10 days ago that there wasn't a reliable enough test. Yet, Germany was and is testing and their stats make the UK's response look embarrassing.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:51 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Have you got news blackout where you live ??

You looked daft with your earlier comments and your looking more and more out of touch with every post.
There are many, many shortages of PPE, Birmingham Council with just 2 days supply of aprons, care homes galore without the relevant PPE, nurses being told that they have to limit themselves to less than safe quantities etc, etc, etc, etc.

My previous comment, in response to you saying there was no shortage of ventilators was again laughable.
If we are so flush with this equipment, why on earth do we have Ford, McLaren and Airbus, changing their manufacture to produce them.

I know that you love everything Tory and you dont care if anyone dies but, FFS take your head out of the sand.

UK deaths although almost at their peak are still rising pretty quickly and the Government aren't counting all of them yet.

Compare the UK to Germany and you can see just how effective we are as a nation, it's pitiful
Our health minister was telling us only 10 days ago that there wasn't a reliable enough test. Yet, Germany was and is testing and their stats make the UK's response look embarrassing.

Spain and Italy testing rates (20k per million) are about the same as Germany but their death rates are a lot higher. So it can't be purely down to testing.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:51 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Have you got news blackout where you live ??

You looked daft with your earlier comments and your looking more and more out of touch with every post.
There are many, many shortages of PPE, Birmingham Council with just 2 days supply of aprons, care homes galore without the relevant PPE, nurses being told that they have to limit themselves to less than safe quantities etc, etc, etc, etc.

My previous comment, in response to you saying there was no shortage of ventilators was again laughable.
If we are so flush with this equipment, why on earth do we have Ford, McLaren and Airbus, changing their manufacture to produce them.

I know that you love everything Tory and you dont care if anyone dies but, FFS take your head out of the sand.

UK deaths although almost at their peak are still rising pretty quickly and the Government aren't counting all of them yet.

Compare the UK to Germany and you can see just how effective we are as a nation, it's pitiful
Our health minister was telling us only 10 days ago that there wasn't a reliable enough test. Yet, Germany was and is testing and their stats make the UK's response look embarrassing.

Spain and Italy testing rates (20k per million) are about the same as Germany but their death rates are a lot higher. So it can't be purely down to testing.