Re: Death Penalty : Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:30 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I have said, numerous times, that a state, which facilitates a death sentence, is doing so, in a large part, out of a wish for revenge.

Have you? Well then many times you have stated bollox since a state is not a sentient entity, and so cannot have a "wish", whether revenge or anything else.

SmokeyTA wrote:

Why is Uganda and their death penalty irrelevant?

To a discussion of the death penalty in a modern judicial system such as the UK and the US? You don't know?

SmokeyTA wrote:

I made the factually correct statement ... Those given a whole life order can apply for release through the home secretary. .... Which you couldn’t argue against so you seem to have made up something you could argue against.

Your simple statement was that "Those given a whole life order can apply for release through the home secretary". That is simply wrong, for the majority of such prisoners. They cannot in fact do so, unless there are exceptional compassionate grounds such as terminal illness.

To summarise the actual position, you should have said:
" the general rule is that those given a whole life order can not apply for parole or release. Most if not all will die in jail. If, exceptionally, there are compelling compassionate grounds such as terminal illness or great age, then the Home Secretary can order that individual's release".

My objection was that the truth of their situation is almost the opposite of what anyone would conclude by reading your bald claim.

Re: Death Penalty : Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:01 pm  

When you are needing to pick and and choose which parts of not only a post but a sentence to respond to because you cant respond to the actual argument, and when you have not only had to resort to making things up but cant even apologise for doing so, and when you need to dismiss entire nations as lesser in one of the most shocking displays of wedtern arrogance this side of the bnp, its probably time to reasses your standpoint

Re: Death Penalty : Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:05 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

When you are needing to pick and and choose which parts of not only a post but a sentence to respond to because you cant respond to the actual argument, and when you have not only had to resort to making things up but cant even apologise for doing so, and when you need to dismiss entire nations as lesser in one of the most shocking displays of wedtern arrogance this side of the bnp, its probably time to reasses your standpoint

There's little left that interests me enough to bother with. But the irony of you making that complaint, yet not yourself managing to respond to a single point, is noted.

"Dismissing entire nations" is just another invention of yours, and "Lesser" is your word, but Uganda is on any rational view not a centre of jurisprudence equal to this country.

And on that note, as mercifully it seems you've run out of nonsense, my work here is done.

Re: Death Penalty : Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:24 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

There's little left that interests me enough to bother with. But the irony of you making that complaint, yet not yourself managing to respond to a single point, is noted.

"Dismissing entire nations" is just another invention of yours, and "Lesser" is your word, but Uganda is on any rational view not a centre of jurisprudence equal to this country.

And on that note, as mercifully it seems you've run out of nonsense, my work here is done.

No please carry on, he's not called you mad yet.

Re: Death Penalty : Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:40 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

There's little left that interests me enough to bother with. But the irony of you making that complaint, yet not yourself managing to respond to a single point, is noted.

"Dismissing entire nations" is just another invention of yours, and "Lesser" is your word, but Uganda is on any rational view not a centre of jurisprudence equal to this country.

And on that note, as mercifully it seems you've run out of nonsense, my work here is done.

Why wouldi respond to things you have made up? I dont think its interesting for me or anyone else to watch you argue with yourself but even if they did you can carry on without me.

Re: Death Penalty : Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:42 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

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Re: Death Penalty : Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:41 pm  

Yes like that!

Re: Death Penalty : Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:01 pm  

I see that a court in Egypt has sentenced 21 football thugs to death for their part in the massacre of 74 people, these Islamic nations don't half like to dish it out.

Re: Death Penalty : Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:19 pm  

rover49 wrote:

I see that a court in Egypt has sentenced 21 football thugs to death for their part in the massacre of 74 people, these Islamic nations don't half like to dish it out.

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago that we were still executing people for murder. Although what concerns me more than the actual sentences is the reaction of the families of those who were killed. It seemed more like a baying mob than grieving families and whilst I understand the desire for revenge on the part of family members (I know I would), the reactions still seemed very extreme.

Re: Death Penalty : Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:36 pm  

Him wrote:

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago that we were still executing people for murder. Although what concerns me more than the actual sentences is the reaction of the families of those who were killed. It seemed more like a baying mob than grieving families and whilst I understand the desire for revenge on the part of family members (I know I would), the reactions still seemed very extreme.

What would you consider a reasonable response?