Re: Brexit Referendum : Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:04 pm  

Strinket wrote:

You can keep saying this but it still doesn’t make it true.

Ever thought of being a politician?

Which part are you questioning ?
Corbyn being invisible during the referendum campaign or, 30% of the voting public not actually voting ?

The actual turnout was 72.2% so, Im happy with saying 30% and Corbyn was ANNONYMOUS, instead choosing to leave the majority of the campaigning to Cameron and Osborne, neither of whom are directly involved in politics.

It was a huge mistake for "remain" to rely on those two clowns.
Having squeezed the poor harder than at any time since the war, is is any wonder that they couldnt attract enough votes to secure a remain vote

Re: Brexit Referendum : Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:17 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Im happy with saying Corbyn was ANNONYMOUS, instead choosing to leave the majority of the campaigning to Cameron and Osborne, neither of whom are directly involved in politics.

Corbyn’s remain campaign activities included:

10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:41 pm  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

Corbyn’s remain campaign activities included:

10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”.

Well, maybe it's the TV that chose to show dumb and dumber fronting the campaign, rather than getting Corbyn in front of the camera.
Personally, I've NEVER heard him openly say that he was in favour of leave or remain, other than talking about workers rights etc.
Even now, you would be hard pressed to know what his personal views are, other than wanting to lead the country.
His party want a second referendum but again, he shy's well away form saying this himself, other than saying that its an option.
It's a little like Labours six (impossible) tests, which even their own policy fails

Re: Brexit Referendum : Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:35 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: Well, maybe it's the TV that chose to show dumb and dumber fronting the campaign, rather than getting Corbyn in front of the camera. Personally, I've NEVER heard him openly say that he was in favour of leave or remain, other than talking about workers rights etc. Here is a video of him doing just that in 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... highlights Brexit is a mess entirely created by the conservatives, who even at this late stage, can’t even get their own cabinet to agree on what brexir should look like or how it’s going to be achieved.

wrencat1873 wrote: Well, maybe it's the TV that chose to show dumb and dumber fronting the campaign, rather than getting Corbyn in front of the camera. Personally, I've NEVER heard him openly say that he was in favour of leave or remain, other than talking about workers rights etc. Here is a video of him doing just that in 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... highlights Brexit is a mess entirely created by the conservatives, who even at this late stage, can’t even get their own cabinet to agree on what brexir should look like or how it’s going to be achieved.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:18 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Well, maybe it's the TV that chose to show dumb and dumber fronting the campaign, rather than getting Corbyn in front of the camera.
Personally, I've NEVER heard him openly say that he was in favour of leave or remain, other than talking about workers rights etc.
Even now, you would be hard pressed to know what his personal views are, other than wanting to lead the country.
His party want a second referendum but again, he shy's well away form saying this himself, other than saying that its an option.
It's a little like Labours six (impossible) tests, which even their own policy fails

I would suggest then WC, that you need to broaden your outlook in terms of where you get your news from; you're parroting MSM lines that are simply not borne out by the facts.

It's risible to try to pin the referendum result on Labour and/or JC - this is a Tory mess, designed by Cameron to deal with the problem that UKIP was causing his party - which has spectacularly backfired; and which Mrs May has inherited, and made even worse, by once again putting her party before the country.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:35 am  

Tried applying my vote and it didn't register so is a fixed vote system
Also if the end decision isn't to my liking can request a new vote until I get what I want

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 am  

snowie wrote:

Tried applying my vote and it didn't register so is a fixed vote system
Also if the end decision isn't to my liking can request a new vote until I get what I want

That appears to be the case, keep voting until the population agree with the politicians.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:06 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I would suggest then WC, that you need to broaden your outlook in terms of where you get your news from; you're parroting MSM lines that are simply not borne out by the facts.

It's risible to try to pin the referendum result on Labour and/or JC - this is a Tory mess, designed by Cameron to deal with the problem that UKIP was causing his party - which has spectacularly backfired; and which Mrs May has inherited, and made even worse, by once again putting her party before the country.

I try to take in a broad spectrum of media input and avoid the party specific propaganda, which does mean missing out Labour cheering on their own and likewise with the Tories.
Some of the biased crap that is out there does my tree in.
Even the MSM can be painful but some of the stuff is just too partisan and isn't anything close to a true reflection of what is going on.
Both Labour and the Tories regularly complain of bias from the MSM, a bit like RL fans who cant see both sides.
However, balance has to be the key to making informed decisions.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:43 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I try to take in a broad spectrum of media input and avoid the party specific propaganda, which does mean missing out Labour cheering on their own and likewise with the Tories.
Some of the biased crap that is out there does my tree in.
Even the MSM can be painful but some of the stuff is just too partisan and isn't anything close to a true reflection of what is going on.
Both Labour and the Tories regularly complain of bias from the MSM, a bit like RL fans who cant see both sides.
However, balance has to be the key to making informed decisions.

Then you're not doing it right - you've been harping on about Corbyn not campaigning for Remain for months, but someone has just provided you with a link to a speech, and a list of all the events he attended as part of the campaign.

I would suggest, as he did some time ago, that the MSM do not report on these things, then create the narrative that they never happened, and people who get their news from the MSM then believe that to be true; it's like magic!

Personally, I've been very clear from the outset - he considers the EU flawed, and wanted to Remain and Reform; which would actually have been a much better basis to address the undoubted issues with the EU, than a ridiculous binary tick box exercise, which allowed liars and ideologues to promise all sorts of things which were never actually possible.

Re: Brexit Referendum : Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:09 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Then you're not doing it right - you've been harping on about Corbyn not campaigning for Remain for months, but someone has just provided you with a link to a speech, and a list of all the events he attended as part of the campaign.

I would suggest, as he did some time ago, that the MSM do not report on these things, then create the narrative that they never happened, and people who get their news from the MSM then believe that to be true; it's like magic!

Personally, I've been very clear from the outset - he considers the EU flawed, and wanted to Remain and Reform; which would actually have been a much better basis to address the undoubted issues with the EU, than a ridiculous binary tick box exercise, which allowed liars and ideologues to promise all sorts of things which were never actually possible.

one word, bolloxs, but that is typical Socialism.