Re: "freedom day" : Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:45 pm  

It sounds like freedom day may not be as stated with the continuance of mask wearing inside public areas and on transport. I wonder who had been pushing for this change.

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:43 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

It sounds like freedom day may not be as stated with the continuance of mask wearing inside public areas and on transport. I wonder who had been pushing for this change.

Although this will now be a "personal choice" and not an instruction and impossible for retailers etc to enforce.

It was interesting to hear that a double jabbed person, over 50 is still more likely to die than an non jabbed person under 30, although "long covid" can and will affect the young.

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:07 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Although this will now be a "personal choice" and not an instruction and impossible for retailers etc to enforce.

It was interesting to hear that a double jabbed person, over 50 is still more likely to die than an non jabbed person under 30, although "long covid" can and will affect the young.

Retailers don’t enforce it now from what I can see - cant remember the last time I saw someone get challenged around our area, and have to say the majority of non mask wearers were under 30’s and primarily males, likely giving their ego a boost

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:20 am  

It really isn't the role of minimum wage shop staff, arguably even security staff, to enforce mask wearing. The conflict and abuse that leads to is not what they are there for.

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:28 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

It really isn't the role of minimum wage shop staff, arguably even security staff, to enforce mask wearing. The conflict and abuse that leads to is not what they are there for.

For once I agree with you ,which is probably why it isn’t challenged - certainly don’t blame them

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

It really isn't the role of minimum wage shop staff, arguably even security staff, to enforce mask wearing. The conflict and abuse that leads to is not what they are there for.

Completely agree with the above

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:22 pm  

ColD wrote:

Retailers don’t enforce it now from what I can see - cant remember the last time I saw someone get challenged around our area, and have to say the majority of non mask wearers were under 30’s and primarily males, likely giving their ego a boost

It's certainly been "enforced" in Supermarkets and our local shop but, in fairness, I've never been a big "shopper".
Even pre pandemic, I'd rather buy on line, it's much less hassle (apart from the occasional "bad buy".

Re: "freedom day" : Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:34 pm  

Silly me when Johnson kept saying it would be irreversible he was actually indicating restrictions could be reapplied. The man is clearly working from the Trump play book, just deny what you have said despite film evidence to the contrary.
We were to introduce a Covid passport, then not, then yes we were then no and now yes again. We had all people ending working from home but now it is no longer the case, fortunately the majority of employers had no intention of acting on this instruction.

Re: "freedom day" : Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:49 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Silly me when Johnson kept saying it would be irreversible he was actually indicating restrictions could be reapplied. The man is clearly working from the Trump play book, just deny what you have said despite film evidence to the contrary.
We were to introduce a Covid passport, then not, then yes we were then no and now yes again. We had all people ending working from home but now it is no longer the case, fortunately the majority of employers had no intention of acting on this instruction.

Yep, that's how he rolls.

Say whatever is most popular with the masses today and then deny it when it comes back to bite.
The opening up of "everything", at a time when cases are already out of control is like trying to put a fire out with petrol.

There is now talk that "some" restrictions will have to be applied if/when things get worse, but, in Bojo's head, this clearly isn't "reversing" or, maybe he's just forgotten/ignored the "irreversible opening up" comments of just a few weeks ago.

It looks like the "world beating" track and trace system is now to be over ridden so that the economy can open up with "contacts" likely to be allowed to ignore the "ping".

The vaccine roll out seems to have been a huge success, although there are now 1000's of positive cases among those who have been double jabbed and assuming that vaccinated NHS staff, among others, will be told to ignore the "ping", what will this do to the safety of those in hospital.

It's amazing that towns and cities in the North West were virtually "locked down" when cases rose above 200 per 100,000 and yet, now, cases are 500+ per 100,000 and we're still flinging the metaphoric doors open.

It's going to be an interesting few months

Re: "freedom day" : Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:09 pm  

Freedom day should be renamed to 'Back to lockdown day as you did what we said' day