Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:32 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

So you ask the impossible, since there was only one spacecraft returning, and not a second one to fly alongside to film it.?

Aardvaark. Nasa say they can beam images from Pluto back to earth, they also claim that photos from Mars are bonafide. They also claim the ISS submarine is orbiting the earth with no renewable oxygen intake needed. They claim there thousands upon thousands of satellites roaming around up there and not one authentic picture can be obtained showing entry/re-entry missions. Also with all that supposed telecommunications satellites with camera technology and the ISS with all of its supposed technology cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe. Now they Nasa can send images from Pluto but they can't take one authentic globe image, Now they Nasa could shut up conspiracy theorist's with 2 x authentic images from the ISS. One showing an authentic image of the globe spinning with cloud movement and star constellation in background, and another authentic image of planes flying upside down over Australia and New Zealand. Now with these 2 x of proof should be a walk in the park compared to Pluto and the Mars projects. Now this will never ever be proven because it can't be done. We don't live on a spinning ball hence it cannot be proven. If the ISS was real it should/could deliver these two images no problem. Now watch all the excuses now come flooding in trying to twist their views as to why Nasa can't supply authentic footage. With Occam applied there's no technology or men up there, or there is and they don't wish to show the true imagery of a Stationary plane. Simples..

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:58 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote: [b][i]Aardvaark. Nasa say they can beam images from Pluto back to earth, they also claim that photos from Mars are bonafide. They "claim" no such thing. All but occasional delusionals know that the real images are real, and they release them for our general edification. "Claim" doesn't come into it. There is no doubt. FLAT STANLEY wrote: [They also claim the ISS submarine is orbiting the earth with no renewable oxygen intake needed. Stan I've humiliated you enough with the ISS, you really are a glutton for punishment. If you remember, you can see the ISS with your own eyes, so there is your proof. Even tonight, you can see it rise in the West at 17:36, reach a max elevation of nearly 27 degrees in the SW at 17:38, and then move away to disappear over the SE horizon at 17:41. At mag. -0.4 it won't be especially bright, but easily naked-eye at 17:41. Of course, a determined bunch of flat-earther satellite-deniers could easily check up on the ISS by positioning themselves at various points to the north and south of the ground path, and taking careful observations. If the ISS really is there and really does orbit exactly as is "claimed", than it would be seen to do that from their triangulation. If it didn't - why, hey presto, ISS debunked! But no such delusionals would bother, they prefer to irrationally "know" there "is no ISS", rather than see for themselves that there is! Didn't you claim that instead there must be some global secret network of giant projectors beaming a moving holograph visible brightly in the sky from any point on Earth? As I recall I asked where they all are. You didn't mention. Where are the ones that project the images over the Pacific, or Atlantic? Secret invisible NASA islands every mile or two throughout the seas? Really Stan, you should let that one go. You look plenty stupid enough. FLAT STANLEY wrote: [They claim there thousands upon thousands of satellites roaming around up there and not one authentic picture can be obtained showing entry/re-entry missions. My, you really are up for humiliation, aren't you? I've repeatedly even provided you with lengthy and detailed list of all the local satellite passes that you can see any clear night with your own eyes. It takes a special kind of stupid to claim there are no satellites, even when you can watch them in the night sky, exactly as their orbits predict, with your own eyes, by the hundred. FLAT STANLEY wrote: Also with all that supposed telecommunications satellites with camera technology and the ISS with all of its supposed technology cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe. The truth is there could be a billion images - you would call every single one "fake" or "CGI" so the millions of authentic images that exist will do for non-delusional people. There is no image they could ever produce that you wouldn't call a fake, so don't pretend there is. But it is particularly delusional for you to say the ISS "cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe", when it does so, all day, every day, and the whole world can freely watch. http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/ The High Definition Earth Viewing (HDEV) experiment aboard the ISS was activated April 30, 2014. It is mounted on the External Payload Facility of the European Space Agency’s Columbus module. This experiment includes several commercial HD video cameras aimed at the earth which are enclosed in a pressurized and temperature controlled housing. Video from these cameras is transmitted back to earth and also streamed live on this channel. While the experiment is operational, views will typically sequence though the different cameras. Between camera switches, a gray and then black color slate will briefly appear. Since the ISS is in darkness during part of each orbit, the images will be dark at those times. During periods of loss of signal with the ground or when HDEV is not operating, a gray color slate or previously recorded video may be seen. You can wacth the video feed, and see a map of the globe showing exactly where the ISS is, and see a moving terrain map pinpointing the area of Earth directly below the ISS. Now (14:00 would be a good time, as the ISS is in daylight heading from S. America over the Atlantic towards Portugal. Some great views, Stan. Clouds and everything. If when it is due over your location, you can watch it approach, and then pop out and watch it serenely cruise past, thus providing yet further concrete evidence of your own eyes that it is really up there. So it's not that ISS can't, it does, all the time, it is that whatever it does, you knee-jerk cries of "fake", and you always will. And you decline to disprove it to yourself by the simple expedient of opening your own fscking eyes FLAT STANLEY wrote: Now they Nasa can send images from Pluto but they can't take one authentic globe image, There are very many authentic globe images, and that includes images from non-NASA sources. Here is one from those well known NASA conspiracists, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, taken by the Chng'e 3 probe Do you see a globe, Stan? How do you account for it? FLAT STANLEY wrote: Now they Nasa could shut up conspiracy theorist's That is one thing they could never do, even if they wanted to. You being a classic case in point. FLAT STANLEY wrote: with 2 x authentic images from the ISS. One showing an authentic image of the globe spinning with cloud movement and star constellation in background, How stupid can one man get? The ISS is orbiting at a high speed. The apparent motion of the Earth viewed from the ISS is a function of the ISS orbiting around the globe. The Earth's rotation takes 24 hours, the ISS takes only an hour or so to do one orbit, so clearly the Earth's orbit IS part of the visible movement, but equally clearly you can't with your eyes differentiate between the two. But, what you can do, is think about the orbit, in reference to the path which the ISS takes. Which is plotted on the map on the HDEV site. You will then see that the reason the ISS flies over a constantly different path relative to the ground is precisely the rotation of the Earth. And, irritatingly, you can see what parts of the globe are illuminated by the Sun, and which are not, which inconveniently for you can only be explained by the Earth being a globe. And by the Sun rotating once every 24 hours and thus constantly changing its face to the Sun. And finally, you can also see that the ISS MUST orbit a globe, as to take the indisputable path it does in relation to your barmy flat earth model would either be impossible, or would demand constant steering along unlikely parabolic paths, that would require such a titanic supply of fuel which no craft could ever carry. But your mental roadblock is firmly in place and so you humiliate yourself further by parroting some of your usual CGI bullcrap, when own-eyes corroboration of all the above is freely available. FLAT STANLEY wrote: and another authentic image of planes flying upside down over Australia and New Zealand. [/quote] Come again? Why would planes "fly upside down" over Australia and NZ? This mad rambling does recall one of the many humiliations I have provided to you, when I asked you to explain how come the Moon looks "upside down" compared to the UK when viewed from Australia. This nearly exploded your head then, Stan, so I suggest you don't go there again. It can't be good for your blood pressure.

FLAT STANLEY wrote: [b][i]Aardvaark. Nasa say they can beam images from Pluto back to earth, they also claim that photos from Mars are bonafide. They "claim" no such thing. All but occasional delusionals know that the real images are real, and they release them for our general edification. "Claim" doesn't come into it. There is no doubt. FLAT STANLEY wrote: [They also claim the ISS submarine is orbiting the earth with no renewable oxygen intake needed. Stan I've humiliated you enough with the ISS, you really are a glutton for punishment. If you remember, you can see the ISS with your own eyes, so there is your proof. Even tonight, you can see it rise in the West at 17:36, reach a max elevation of nearly 27 degrees in the SW at 17:38, and then move away to disappear over the SE horizon at 17:41. At mag. -0.4 it won't be especially bright, but easily naked-eye at 17:41. Of course, a determined bunch of flat-earther satellite-deniers could easily check up on the ISS by positioning themselves at various points to the north and south of the ground path, and taking careful observations. If the ISS really is there and really does orbit exactly as is "claimed", than it would be seen to do that from their triangulation. If it didn't - why, hey presto, ISS debunked! But no such delusionals would bother, they prefer to irrationally "know" there "is no ISS", rather than see for themselves that there is! Didn't you claim that instead there must be some global secret network of giant projectors beaming a moving holograph visible brightly in the sky from any point on Earth? As I recall I asked where they all are. You didn't mention. Where are the ones that project the images over the Pacific, or Atlantic? Secret invisible NASA islands every mile or two throughout the seas? Really Stan, you should let that one go. You look plenty stupid enough. FLAT STANLEY wrote: [They claim there thousands upon thousands of satellites roaming around up there and not one authentic picture can be obtained showing entry/re-entry missions. My, you really are up for humiliation, aren't you? I've repeatedly even provided you with lengthy and detailed list of all the local satellite passes that you can see any clear night with your own eyes. It takes a special kind of stupid to claim there are no satellites, even when you can watch them in the night sky, exactly as their orbits predict, with your own eyes, by the hundred. FLAT STANLEY wrote: Also with all that supposed telecommunications satellites with camera technology and the ISS with all of its supposed technology cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe. The truth is there could be a billion images - you would call every single one "fake" or "CGI" so the millions of authentic images that exist will do for non-delusional people. There is no image they could ever produce that you wouldn't call a fake, so don't pretend there is. But it is particularly delusional for you to say the ISS "cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe", when it does so, all day, every day, and the whole world can freely watch. http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/ The High Definition Earth Viewing (HDEV) experiment aboard the ISS was activated April 30, 2014. It is mounted on the External Payload Facility of the European Space Agency’s Columbus module. This experiment includes several commercial HD video cameras aimed at the earth which are enclosed in a pressurized and temperature controlled housing. Video from these cameras is transmitted back to earth and also streamed live on this channel. While the experiment is operational, views will typically sequence though the different cameras. Between camera switches, a gray and then black color slate will briefly appear. Since the ISS is in darkness during part of each orbit, the images will be dark at those times. During periods of loss of signal with the ground or when HDEV is not operating, a gray color slate or previously recorded video may be seen. You can wacth the video feed, and see a map of the globe showing exactly where the ISS is, and see a moving terrain map pinpointing the area of Earth directly below the ISS. Now (14:00 would be a good time, as the ISS is in daylight heading from S. America over the Atlantic towards Portugal. Some great views, Stan. Clouds and everything. If when it is due over your location, you can watch it approach, and then pop out and watch it serenely cruise past, thus providing yet further concrete evidence of your own eyes that it is really up there. So it's not that ISS can't, it does, all the time, it is that whatever it does, you knee-jerk cries of "fake", and you always will. And you decline to disprove it to yourself by the simple expedient of opening your own fscking eyes FLAT STANLEY wrote: Now they Nasa can send images from Pluto but they can't take one authentic globe image, There are very many authentic globe images, and that includes images from non-NASA sources. Here is one from those well known NASA conspiracists, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, taken by the Chng'e 3 probe Do you see a globe, Stan? How do you account for it? FLAT STANLEY wrote: Now they Nasa could shut up conspiracy theorist's That is one thing they could never do, even if they wanted to. You being a classic case in point. FLAT STANLEY wrote: with 2 x authentic images from the ISS. One showing an authentic image of the globe spinning with cloud movement and star constellation in background, How stupid can one man get? The ISS is orbiting at a high speed. The apparent motion of the Earth viewed from the ISS is a function of the ISS orbiting around the globe. The Earth's rotation takes 24 hours, the ISS takes only an hour or so to do one orbit, so clearly the Earth's orbit IS part of the visible movement, but equally clearly you can't with your eyes differentiate between the two. But, what you can do, is think about the orbit, in reference to the path which the ISS takes. Which is plotted on the map on the HDEV site. You will then see that the reason the ISS flies over a constantly different path relative to the ground is precisely the rotation of the Earth. And, irritatingly, you can see what parts of the globe are illuminated by the Sun, and which are not, which inconveniently for you can only be explained by the Earth being a globe. And by the Sun rotating once every 24 hours and thus constantly changing its face to the Sun. And finally, you can also see that the ISS MUST orbit a globe, as to take the indisputable path it does in relation to your barmy flat earth model would either be impossible, or would demand constant steering along unlikely parabolic paths, that would require such a titanic supply of fuel which no craft could ever carry. But your mental roadblock is firmly in place and so you humiliate yourself further by parroting some of your usual CGI bullcrap, when own-eyes corroboration of all the above is freely available. FLAT STANLEY wrote: and another authentic image of planes flying upside down over Australia and New Zealand. [/quote] Come again? Why would planes "fly upside down" over Australia and NZ? This mad rambling does recall one of the many humiliations I have provided to you, when I asked you to explain how come the Moon looks "upside down" compared to the UK when viewed from Australia. This nearly exploded your head then, Stan, so I suggest you don't go there again. It can't be good for your blood pressure.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:00 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Aardvaark. Nasa say they can beam images from Pluto back to earth, they also claim that photos from Mars are bonafide. They also claim the ISS submarine is orbiting the earth with no renewable oxygen intake needed. They claim there thousands upon thousands of satellites roaming around up there and not one authentic picture can be obtained showing entry/re-entry missions. Also with all that supposed telecommunications satellites with camera technology and the ISS with all of its supposed technology cannot beam one authentic picture of the globe. Now they Nasa can send images from Pluto but they can't take one authentic globe image, Now they Nasa could shut up conspiracy theorist's with 2 x authentic images from the ISS. One showing an authentic image of the globe spinning with cloud movement and star constellation in background, and another authentic image of planes flying upside down over Australia and New Zealand. Now with these 2 x of proof should be a walk in the park compared to Pluto and the Mars projects. Now this will never ever be proven because it can't be done. We don't live on a spinning ball hence it cannot be proven. If the ISS was real it should/could deliver these two images no problem. Now watch all the excuses now come flooding in trying to twist their views as to why Nasa can't supply authentic footage. With Occam applied there's no technology or men up there, or there is and they don't wish to show the true imagery of a Stationary plane. Simples..

You missed the bit about the ISS moving, I take it?

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:04 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Come again? Why would planes "fly upside down" over Australia and NZ? This mad rambling does recall one of the many humiliations I have provided to you, when I asked you to explain how come the Moon looks "upside down" compared to the UK when viewed from Australia. This nearly exploded your head then, Stan, so I suggest you don't go there again. It can't be good for your blood pressure.

Hahaha you've never humiliated me. Firstly your globe picture is hilarious. CGI Cartoony, i can't believe you can't tell the difference between Fake/Real. Where's the Stars where's the constellations in the backround. Ooops they forgot to airbrush them in. How pathetically embarrassing, are you still a teenager providing this choice of composite.Now there's humiliation for your ignorance to perceive Basic Flawed imagery

Now the highlighted quotation about the planes flying upside down in Australia and New Zealand is exactly what we should observe from the so called ISS. Your misunderstanding of this proves you're not thinking wisely enough. Now imagine you're aboard your fake ISS and you're located above Aisia India China. Now cast your eyes towards Australia, South Africa and New Zealand considering the below vantage point you should perceive upside down planes towards Sydney, South Africa and New Zealand.

I hope you understand. My Five year old even knows this anomaly.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:13 pm  

Upside down planes now

Stan. As FA said, you can go outside at specific times, look in a specific location, and see the ISS for yourself.




Here's another one to throw out there - eclipses - both lunar and solar. Explain them Stan.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:15 pm  

Here's one Stan. Spotted from the ISS flying over Sydney this morning.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:22 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Here's one Stan. Spotted from the ISS flying over Sydney this morning.

Funny how you can't grasp it Butch...Not got a job yet.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:28 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I am not pandering to Stan/Alice/Kirkstaller, he is delusional but often trolling too, but (a) such idiocy needs to be challenged to make sure it's clear those who hadn't thought about such issues before that all he claims is utter nonsense, and (b) because it is a good opportunity for me to raise interesting scientific facts and discoveries that some people may find interesting and (c) because since objective (a) was achieved in spades by the rational posters on the various threads, it's become a mine of comedy gold.

This serves two purposes, first, Stan is now confirmed as part troll part delusional religious fundy that people don't take seriously, second, his increasingly ludicrous replies are bloody funny, several people have said that they are being entertained by the threads which do get a lot of views, and I often laugh out loud myself. It has become a bit slapstick - what batsh.itloonery will Stan come out with next?

I mean, he is very very good, you must give him that, who could have predicted a line that Darwin never sailed on the Beagle and the Galapagos landings were in fact a hoax? You don't get this anywhere else

Stan for President

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:28 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote:

Funny how you can't grasp it Butch...Not got a job yet.

Why do you think everyone is Butcher , isn't Butcher a Salford fan? I'm a Hull fan, fyi. Check my posting history. Butcher would have to be pretty dedicated to create an alter ego, spend months and months posting as that alter ego to create a back story just in case these threads were to pop up. Typical conspiracy theorist.

Anyway, upside down planes. Why would they be flying upside down? Aviation works the same in the North as the Southern Hemisphere. Planes fly the right way up, relative to the ground. Explain what you're on about.



And, Eclipses - crack on with that one.

Re: NASA and Space general conspiracy discussions : Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:35 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Why do you think everyone is Butcher , isn't Butcher a Salford fan? I'm a Hull fan, fyi. Check my posting history. Butcher would have to be pretty dedicated to create an alter ego, spend months and months posting as that alter ego to create a back story just in case these threads were to pop up. Typical conspiracy theorist.

Anyway, upside down planes. Why would they be flying upside down? Aviation works the same in the North as the Southern Hemisphere. Planes fly the right way up, relative to the ground. Explain what you're on about.



And, Eclipses - crack on with that one.

I can't believe you can't grasp it. Read my post again and digest it. durrh