Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:24 pm  

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Question three. Weare surrounded by Ice, yes a great big 200 metre ice wall not my words but Admiral Byrds. I suggest you look up Admiral Byrd in fact i'll leave a link BYRD WALL Also look up Operation Highjump. The Antarctic treaty was formed after this military operation. They sure found something that was massive enough to BAN all human activity and for a treaty to be signed with threats of heavy prison sentences for breaching the Antarctic waters. See Here I watched that video you linked to about the 200m 'Ice Wall'. Byrd says there's an unexplored region beyond the South pole, he estimates to be the size of the USA. "The other side of the South Pole from America". This was what, the late 50's, so obviously it won't have all been explored, and most explorers would have come via the Western Hemisphere. No mention of an Ice Wall. No mention that we're on some disk or within a dome. (Feel free to pinpoint the exact moment you reckon Byrd said there was an Ice Wall) Just basically an explorer saying that there's a huge expanse of land, rich in resources that a lot of countries are of course interested in. But, we all knew that.

FLAT STANLEY wrote: Question three. Weare surrounded by Ice, yes a great big 200 metre ice wall not my words but Admiral Byrds. I suggest you look up Admiral Byrd in fact i'll leave a link BYRD WALL Also look up Operation Highjump. The Antarctic treaty was formed after this military operation. They sure found something that was massive enough to BAN all human activity and for a treaty to be signed with threats of heavy prison sentences for breaching the Antarctic waters. See Here I watched that video you linked to about the 200m 'Ice Wall'. Byrd says there's an unexplored region beyond the South pole, he estimates to be the size of the USA. "The other side of the South Pole from America". This was what, the late 50's, so obviously it won't have all been explored, and most explorers would have come via the Western Hemisphere. No mention of an Ice Wall. No mention that we're on some disk or within a dome. (Feel free to pinpoint the exact moment you reckon Byrd said there was an Ice Wall) Just basically an explorer saying that there's a huge expanse of land, rich in resources that a lot of countries are of course interested in. But, we all knew that.

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:53 pm  

Stanley proves my point with regards to having a framework that can test an idea. True scientific method is trying to disprove your idea over and over again to find the facts. What happens with flat-earthers is that they are comfortable with science as long as it FITS their own ideas. When it doesn't, instead of going back to the drawing board they try to find a way to manipulate, and make excuse for something that clearly shows the opposite of what they want.

The Bedford experiment is a perfect example

A sound and logical experiment that failed to take into account optic refraction and was shown on a number of occasions to in fact prove the earth was a globe. After repeated experiments showed the same thing they somehow managed to convince themselves that everyone else was suffering from a trick of perspective! Some of them seem to think that this experiment is still proof. Of course, everyone else are Jewish Freemasons controlling everything for some mystical reason...

It shows how deeply dishonest flat-earthers need to be.

They think that not including all the variables into an experiment will give you proof, and when they get a result that other people point out is deficient and wrong they either ignore it or try to make spurious claims to justify a bad result.

All they have to do is provide a controlled and repeatable experiment that we can all test. It shouldn't be difficult but they can't because of the cognitive bias they hold. I really don't understand their motivations, and there's a good reason flat-earth ideas were thrown out two thousand years ago.

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:25 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote: I watched that video you linked to about the 200m 'Ice Wall'. Byrd says there's an unexplored region beyond the South pole, he estimates to be the size of the USA. "The other side of the South Pole from America". This was what, the late 50's, so obviously it won't have all been explored, and most explorers would have come via the Western Hemisphere. . Exactly, Antarctica is huge they're hiding something around there. They're certainly not putting vast resources of military personnel out their for penguin conservation thats for sure. Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote: No mention of an Ice Wall. No mention that we're on some disk or within a dome. (Feel free to pinpoint the exact moment you reckon Byrd said there was an Ice Wall). I never said Admiral Byrd was a FE'R. Here is an article by A British Naval Explorer Sir James Clark Ross on the Ice Wall. The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects. Along the edge of our local area exists a massive 150 plus foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface. The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a British Naval Officer and polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass. It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward." Sir James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next several years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of a south sea passage to the other side. Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally. The Ice Wall surrounds 95% of the Antarctic coast. The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated. The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Trans-Antarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometre) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea. Temperatures are thought to approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the earth is something which will forever be unknowable by man. The Ice Wall

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote: I watched that video you linked to about the 200m 'Ice Wall'. Byrd says there's an unexplored region beyond the South pole, he estimates to be the size of the USA. "The other side of the South Pole from America". This was what, the late 50's, so obviously it won't have all been explored, and most explorers would have come via the Western Hemisphere. . Exactly, Antarctica is huge they're hiding something around there. They're certainly not putting vast resources of military personnel out their for penguin conservation thats for sure. Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote: No mention of an Ice Wall. No mention that we're on some disk or within a dome. (Feel free to pinpoint the exact moment you reckon Byrd said there was an Ice Wall). I never said Admiral Byrd was a FE'R. Here is an article by A British Naval Explorer Sir James Clark Ross on the Ice Wall. The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects. Along the edge of our local area exists a massive 150 plus foot Ice Wall. The 150 foot Ice Wall is on the coast of Antarctica. The Ice Wall is a massive wall of ice that surrounds Antarctica. The shelf of ice is several hundred meters thick. This nearly vertical ice front to the open sea is more than 50 meters high above the water's surface. The Ice Wall was discovered by Sir James Clark Ross, a British Naval Officer and polar explorer who was among the first to venture to Antarctica in an attempt to determine the position of the South Magnetic Pole. Upon confronting the massive vertical front of of ice he famously remarked "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass. It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward." Sir James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops at the Cape of Good Hope and his polar expeditions, he spent the next several years of his life circumnavigating the southern coast vainly in search of a south sea passage to the other side. Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally. The Ice Wall surrounds 95% of the Antarctic coast. The Ice Wall is a natural formation, a thick mass of floating ice that is attached to land, formed from and fed by tongues of glaciers extending outward from deep within the uncharted tundra into sheltered waters. Where there are no strong currents, the ice becomes partly grounded on the sea bottom and attaches itself to rocks and islands. The wall is pushed forward into the sea by glacial pressure until its forward growth is terminated. The entire coast of the Ice Wall is not one single complete wall, however. There are actually a series of thousand mile long walls, divided by Trans-Antarctic Mountain Ranges up to 11,500 feet high. The weight of The Ice Walls are so enormous that they have literally pressed the land two thirds of a mile (one kilometre) into the earth. Under the massive forces of their own weight, the ice walls deform and drag themselves outward. Very large glaciers called ice streams flow through them continually, transporting ice from deep inland out to the sea. Temperatures are thought to approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the earth is something which will forever be unknowable by man. The Ice Wall

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:03 pm  

What utter rot! If the Earth was flat, this Ice Wall would surround the known landmasses and oceans - it would not surround anything outside the wall. Whatever was there would contain this round ice enclosure within which would be the flat Earth!

But Stan is completely ignoring the FACT that we have a manned base at the South Pole, and fully detailed maps of Antarctica (even radar based maps of some of what lies beneath Antarctica). He ignores the FACT of the existence of the very numerous scientific bases of many nations, of which i have put up a map, which is also a map of Antarctica - a finite, well mapped continent, not some immensely gigantic unknown expanse beyond some childishly ridiculous "ice wall".

And of course, very early visitors to the Antarctic would indeed be able to encounter vast looking ice walls. It is just that then, nobody knew what it all was, whereas now we know only too well. We map Antarctica, and the ebb and flow of the ice, the collapse of the ice shelves, etc. etc., monitored closely, all the time.

It is batshit lunacy of the highest order to pretend none of this exists and Stan specializes in that, but he's outdone himself.

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:37 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

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Thanks for all that, I will take a look at it. I think you need to be in a certain frame when you look at this kind of stuff so I'll leave it to after Christmas!

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:04 pm  

So basically it's like the Truman show were he sailing then he eventually hits a wall

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:36 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

So basically it's like the Truman show were he sailing then he eventually hits a wall

That's what the loonies on here would have you believe.

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:01 pm  

I'm a ridiculously unfit asthmatic that smokes and drinks too much, but I reckon I could stick on a pair of cramp on's and scale forty six metres of ice (after a few attempts) if I thought it was the end of the Earth.

Again, Flat Stanley, how old is the Earth?

Is it around six thousand years old?

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:14 pm  

Sandro II Terrorista wrote:

I'm a ridiculously unfit asthmatic that smokes and drinks too much, but I reckon I could stick on a pair of cramp on's and scale forty six metres of ice (after a few attempts) if I thought it was the end of the Earth.

Again, Flat Stanley, how old is the Earth?

Is it around six thousand years old?

Now, now. You know very well your questions make his head hurt.

Re: Terrorism in Paris again. : Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:18 am  

Here is something to make Stan's brain explode.

Set off and travel in a straight line for 10,000km.
Very carefully make a 90 degree right turn, then go another 10,000km
Very carefully make another 90 degree right turn, then go another 10,000km

If the Earth was flat, you would have made 3 sides of a square, and would be 10,000 miles away from your starting point.

Meanwhile back on our planet, you would have made a triangle, with 3 right-angled corners, and would be back where you started.

Because you are on a globe. It couldn't work any other way. Like so:



Game. Set. Match.