Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 12:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

What's at stake is an style of economy that has been shown on numerous occasions not work - so I think it is entirely unreasonable to expect support for what is a flawed arrangement.

Show me a Socialist state that is thriving?

Denmark, Finland, The Netherlands, Sweden and Norway - all versions of socialism that seem to be working quite nicely.

I fully accept that pure socialism in the traditional sense doesn't work - due to human nature and the corruption of the model - but there are modern versions of collectivism that can and do work.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 12:03 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I would argue that the strongest economies, the most stable, have high degrees of control of their economies, have high levels of state ownership of energy, water, rail, health service & social care. These are the areas the left is arguing for. None of the main left/liberal parties are arguing for complete state ownership of every enterprise. But that doesn't fit your warped view.

Aye, I think that China is the fastest growing economy in the world (it's certainly one of them) and not a Tory in sight

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 1:05 pm  

UKIP say they would take passports off anyone travelling to countries such as libya, one way ticket not to return... especially if they are being watched by security services too

can anyone not agree with this?! should be in every parties manifesto.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 1:10 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

UKIP say they would take passports off anyone travelling to countries such as libya, one way ticket not to return... especially if they are being watched by security services too

can anyone not agree with this?! should be in every parties manifesto.

Will Paul Nuttall be sat at the immigration desk in Tripoli chucking passports into a fire? On a serious note, how can they legally not let UK nationals back in the country?

Suspects arrested & questioned upon their return to the UK would be an obvious step, but you can't render a person stateless.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 1:37 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

UKIP say they would take passports off anyone travelling to countries such as libya, one way ticket not to return... especially if they are being watched by security services too

can anyone not agree with this?! should be in every parties manifesto.

So people cannot visit relatives, friends, do humanitarian work or academic research?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 1:50 pm  

tigertot wrote:

So people cannot visit relatives, friends, do humanitarian work or academic research?

Brearley is a UKIP fanboy, laps up anything they say. He was throwing loads of random statements out during the referendum, offering zero reasoning or insight.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 2:49 pm  

DGM wrote:

Will Paul Nuttall be sat at the immigration desk in Tripoli chucking passports into a fire? On a serious note, how can they legally not let UK nationals back in the country?

Suspects arrested & questioned upon their return to the UK would be an obvious step, but you can't render a person stateless.

They (UKIP) will have enough work on their plate, managing their 1 in 1 out policy.
I know that they can promise whatever they want (just like the EU campaign) as they will never be in power. However, t would be really, really interesting to see how we could go from a country with net immigration of 300,000 (approx) to having "balanced" immigration. - would they have a list of people who they would throw out.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 3:01 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

UKIP say they would take passports off anyone travelling to countries such as libya, one way ticket not to return... especially if they are being watched by security services too

can anyone not agree with this?! should be in every parties manifesto.

Following your strange sentence construction - yes, I can not agree with it. Or I can just disagree with it - which I prefer.

UKIP say all sorts of strange and fanciful things; personally, if possible, I'd like to avoid a police state - and I tend not to see the demented pronouncements of Paul Nutall, a serial liar, as serious political discourse, however much the BBC are in love with him.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 3:43 pm  

tigertot wrote:

So people cannot visit relatives, friends, do humanitarian work or academic research?

Sadly, no. This is a matter of national security and as Brearley rightly imo pointed out, should be in every Party manifesto.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 4:24 pm  

Would our arms suppliers still be able to travel there to sell them arms to kill their own people?