Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:27 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Even that wont work.

Had Brexit been a party issue, the thing would have been sorted long ago but, it's not.
Both of the main parties are badly split on the issue and with so many of our MP being in favour of remain, despite their constituants having voted " leave", they either run with their conscience or, follow the will of the voting public and far too many wish to follow their conscience.
Add to that "the deal that pleases no one nad you reach the current stalemate.

Fair points however if we go back to the country and they again vote to leave these remain MPs will never accept a leave position. So where do you go from there? If we are leaving the only way to leave is no deal - we cannot do an equitable deal with EU it is simply not in their best interest to do so.

One thing that has come to my mind - if the EU spends more money with the UK than we do with them would there not be a gain in tarrifs for the UK. Also some of the products coming from outside of the EU carry tarrifs surely these would disappear on an exit?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:40 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Fair points however if we go back to the country and they again vote to leave these remain MPs will never accept a leave position.

I think that is complete rubbish. They might not like it but they will accept it.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:59 am  

tigertot wrote:

I think that is complete rubbish. They might not like it but they will accept it.

Why dont they accept the result of the first referendum.

Everything is starting to look like a no deal (or May's deal), she's certainly playing hard ball (probably hoping that our elected members go for the (slightly) lesser of 2 evils.

You have to smile at her "reaching out", which was a pure publicity stunt and just an excerscise in buying yet more time , instead of actually listening to anyone ?

I't starting to look like the right wing of the Tories are going to win the day and we'll probably have hanging and the birch back on the political agenda before too long.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:14 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Why dont they accept the result of the first referendum.

You'd have to ask them individually but I'd say they feel the public voted in ignorance, they were misled & now better understand the impact of leaving.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:22 am  

1. General Election
2. Extend Article 50
3. The party who wins renegotiates with the EU and comes back with their best deal
4. Go to the people to vote on that deal (3), No Deal, or Remain
5. Eliminate whichever option gets the lowest vote
6. Go back to the people with the remaining 2 options
5. Implement whichever option gets a majority

Sorted.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:37 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Even that wont work.

Had Brexit been a party issue, the thing would have been sorted long ago but, it's not.
Both of the main parties are badly split on the issue and with so many of our MP being in favour of remain, despite their constituants having voted " leave", they either run with their conscience or, follow the will of the voting public and far too many wish to follow their conscience.
Add to that "the deal that pleases no one nad you reach the current stalemate.

Absolutely, Its just a pity that such a monumental decission of what form
Brexit should take wasn't done across the two main parties, instead of May just ploughing through her interpretation of what she thought the majority of the people voted for. You will always get dissenters on an issue such as this but I am sure cross party collaboration would have made things much easier.

Paul

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:21 am  

bren2k wrote:

1. General Election
2. Extend Article 50
3. The party who wins renegotiates with the EU and comes back with their best deal
4. Go to the people to vote on that deal (3), No Deal, or Remain
5. Eliminate whichever option gets the lowest vote
6. Go back to the people with the remaining 2 options
5. Implement whichever option gets a majority

Sorted.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:32 am  

bren2k wrote:

1. General Election
2. Extend Article 50
3. The party who wins renegotiates with the EU and comes back with their best deal
4. Go to the people to vote on that deal (3), No Deal, or Remain
5. Eliminate whichever option gets the lowest vote
6. Go back to the people with the remaining 2 options
5. Implement whichever option gets a majority

Sorted.

How long do you want all this to take Bren and out of interest, do you think Labour would have any of the same issues ?

Corbyn, a lifelong Eurosceptic has no desire to stay in the EU and since he became Labour Leader, has, rather than pinning his colours to either mast (Leave or Remain), has hidden behind sound bites.


Your thoughs on a second referendum simply dont work and with the 3 options that you suggest, you are deliberately splitting the "leave" vote.

As I undersatand it, it takes around 3 months to arrange a General Election and closre to 7 months for a referendum and eve IF, we were to go down that route, we could land right back in the same position that we currently have, albeit another 12 months down the line.

Our elected members should follow the instructions given to them by the electorate instead of "pleaseing them selves" and playing party politics.

I think that you are assuming a Labour victory at a GE but, whichever party wins, the mess remains the same.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:35 am  

POSTL wrote:

Absolutely, Its just a pity that such a monumental decission of what form
Brexit should take wasn't done across the two main parties, instead of May just ploughing through her interpretation of what she thought the majority of the people voted for. You will always get dissenters on an issue such as this but I am sure cross party collaboration would have made things much easier.

Paul

I think May saw her chance of a place in history & wanted to take all the credit for a Brexit, despite being against it when she thought Remain would win. Her 10 minute phone call to the Unions a couple of days before the vote sums up how much she thinks of others' views. It's probably why she went with Davis to head DExEU despite him being thick as 2 short planks; knowing he would never steal the glory.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:35 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I think May saw her chance of a place in history & wanted to take all the credit for a Brexit, despite being against it when she thought Remain would win. Her 10 minute phone call to the Unions a couple of days before the vote sums up how much she thinks of others' views. It's probably why she went with Davis to head DExEU despite him being thick as 2 short planks; knowing he would never steal the glory.

Agreed mate, on an earlier post of yours a do agree that people voted to either leave or remain for all sorts of different reasons and it does wind me up when politician try to say what people voted for. With regards voting in ignorance to a certain extent that is true again for both sides of the debate, however, I voted to leave for many different reasons but mainly because of freedom of movement (Not immigration as a whole its sometimes portrayed) and that and my other reasons remain. One thing I was you could say ":was ignorant about" was the Irish border, but I feel that has been over complicated in my opinion.

Paul