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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"So guilty before proven speaks the voice of justice from the left.
[uRemind me of the score between Tory & Labour for recent imprisonments?[/u You needn't include the drunken brawling.'"
Not sure but do you think the last Conservative PM, Tony, should be arraigned on War Crime charges for his part in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians?
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"Not sure but do you think the last Conservative PM, Tony, should be arraigned on War Crime charges for his part in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians?'"
The question was how many MP's actually have been sent to jail recently from each of the main parties.
I have not seen all the evidence so cannot answer your question.
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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"The question was how many MP's actually have been sent to jail recently from each of the main parties.
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Your question was a straw man of epic proportions.
My reference to Aitken and Archer was prompted by their desire to take to the courts to "prove" their innocence (IIRC they also availed themselves of legal aid funding too).
The closest you could find a Labour politicia in a similar situation in the last 50 years would be Tommy Sheridan and even his conviction for perjury may yet be in some doubt, given the involvement of a former Tory Press Officer now being investigated for his role in the Sheridan case.
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| 'A senior police officer has blown the whistle on what he claims was a conspiracy by Scotland Yard protection officers to "stitch up" the cabinet minister at the centre of the Plebgate affair. In a witness statement subsequently given to the Metropolitan police, the officer names a police colleague whom he alleges "orchestrated" the plot to bring down Mitchell
After doubts emerged about the evidence against Mitchell, Scotland yard began an enquiry, Operation Alice. Eight people have been arrested including five other Met officers, for allegedly fabricating evidence or leaking it to the media.
According to the whistleblower, the "genesis" of the Plebgate incident was in a confrontation between Mitchell and the officers at the Downing Street gates on September the 18th last year - the night before the Plebgate row itself. Mitchell is believed to have jabbed his finger at one of the officers, demanding that he open the gates. The Whistleblower stated said to the other officers:'Right, we can stitch him up'"
The whistleblower then went on to state that the word "plebs" was added by the named officer to the original police log of the conversation that Mitchell was said to had with the officer who was guarding the gates on September 19. The whistleblower also claims that officer X went on to "orchestrate" the writing of two bogus emails sent by a second diplomatic protection officer the following day'
Lord Macdonald, a former director of public prosecutions, last month said that if the word "pleb" had been fabricated by officers it would be like a missile "heading straight for the heart of the Metropolitan police"
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| Still no video or audio evidence yet then ?
Or the full backing of Mitchell's boss and a reinstatement ?
Strange that, you'd think they'd have sorted it by now...
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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"'A senior police officer has blown the whistle on what he claims was a conspiracy by Scotland Yard protection officers to "stitch up" the cabinet minister at the centre of the Plebgate affair. In a witness statement subsequently given to the Metropolitan police, the officer names a police colleague whom he alleges "orchestrated" the plot to bring down Mitchell
After doubts emerged about the evidence against Mitchell, Scotland yard began an enquiry, Operation Alice. Eight people have been arrested including five other Met officers, for allegedly fabricating evidence or leaking it to the media.
According to the whistleblower, the "genesis" of the Plebgate incident was in a confrontation between Mitchell and the officers at the Downing Street gates on September the 18th last year - the night before the Plebgate row itself. Mitchell is believed to have jabbed his finger at one of the officers, demanding that he open the gates. The Whistleblower stated: "On the 18th September 2012 Mr Mitchell had also insisted on being let out through the main gate. Following this [officer X said to the other officers:'Right, we can stitch him up'"
The whistleblower then went on to state that the word "plebs" was added by the named officer to the original police log of the conversation that Mitchell was said to had with the officer who was guarding the gates on September 19. The whistleblower also claims that officer X went on to "orchestrate" the writing of two bogus emails sent by a second diplomatic protection officer the following day'
Lord Macdonald, a former director of public prosecutions, last month said that if the word "pleb" had been fabricated by officers it would be like a missile "heading straight for the heart of the Metropolitan police"
Source: The Sunday Times'"
It's a shame the other thread on 'Plebgate' (shouldn't really call it that now should we) was locked. There were some cracking posts from Him and Kosh on there about there definitely not being a stitch up. 
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| Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"It's a shame the other thread on 'Plebgate' (shouldn't really call it that now should we) was locked. There were some cracking posts from Him and Kosh on there about there definitely not being a stitch up.
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Are there? Then find them and post them or stop lying and retract your comment.
Has Mitchell finally announced what he actually did say yet? No. And he won't. Ever.
Have you answered any of the questions put to you on numerous other subjects yet? Are you able to answer them?
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| Each day this week Plebgate has made the headlines and the story is now moving rapidly from police conspiracy to police cover up. From Plebgate to Plodgate!
Eight people, including four police officers, have been arrested and bailed over the September 2012 row at the Downing Street security gates. The Crown Prosecution Service is currently considering charges.
On Sunday it emerged a new senior police whistleblower has come forward and he confirms there was a police conspiracy against Mitchell.
On Tuesday, the IPCC questioned the "honesty and integrity" of the officers, and said West Mercia Police had been wrong to conclude they had no case to answer for misconduct.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission yesterday ruled there was evidence those officers set out to deliberately discredit Mr Mitchell and they should face gross misconduct proceedings
Association of Chief Police Officers' chairman Sir Hugh Orde said the incident demonstrated the "critical" need for a fully independent police investigation system.
He said: "What I am clear on is it requires an explanation from the leaders of those three police forces - all of whom have very clearly said they want to come to the home affairs select committee and be held to account in an open and transparent forum by elected MPs, to explain their side of the story."
Home Secretary Theresa May said the IPCC's report "made troubling reading
Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz said David Shaw, chief constable of West Mercia Police, would be summoned before MPs next week to explain why misconduct hearings had not been held.
BBC home affairs editor Mark Easton said the issue of public trust in the police service in England and Wales was central to the row.
What made the matter so troubling, was the suggestion that when entrusted with investigating wrongdoing, police chief constables had not taken appropriate action.
So we now await possibly three Chief Constables 'up before' the Home Affairs select committee to answer charges of why they are so weak and fail to stand up to the Police Federation who are a union out of control.
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| Food Banks for the hungry.
Pensioners freezing to death this winter.
A million kids under 25 with no employment.
......And millions of pounds being spent on this bollox!
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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"...The Independent Police Complaints Commission yesterday ruled there was evidence those officers set out to deliberately discredit Mr Mitchell and they should face gross misconduct proceedings...'"
At the moment the police are feeling the heat but it still looks like Mitchell acted like a t0$$er.
He claims that he didn't say the word "Pleb" but admits that he did [uswear[/u at police officers... as though that's all right then.
So far, he hasn't actually stated what it was that he DID say.
I might have a bit more sympathy for him if he'd come right out and tell us
I can only wonder why he hasn't.
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| Quote El Barbudo="El Barbudo"At the moment the police are feeling the heat but it still looks like Mitchell acted like a t0$$er.
He claims that he didn't say the word "Pleb" but admits that he did [uswear[/u at police officers... as though that's all right then.
So far, he hasn't actually stated what it was that he DID say.
I might have a bit more sympathy for him if he'd come right out and tell us
I can only wonder why he hasn't.'"
The current hullabulloo is all about the separate interview that took place several weeks later, certainly looks like the police officers concerned tried to stitch him up and have been rumbled and in the course of doing so have dropped their chief constables in it too.
However this is nothing to do with the cover up that is apparent from the actual incident itself, we are still being asked to believe that the main gates to Downing Street, the ones that were erected to protect the most senior government officials from IRA attacks (they just went around the back instead), the gates that are the only thing that stands between slaughtering the PM and the Chancellor or the whole bloody Cabinet for that matter - those gates are not covered by any video or audio recordings other than two cameras who's locations makes it obvious that their principal purpose is not to cover security at the main gate at all but probably just to act as access control to two other buildings.
If anyone believes that to be true then you are a fool, somewhere there exists good quality cctv with audio from the main gate and security office and on those recordings will be the full story. As the man in charge of the whole thing David Cameron will have had access to those recordings the very next morning and the fact that he didn't immediately put a stop to the whole stupid affair speaks volumes for what those recordings must show, the fact that he didn't support Mitchell's behaviour on that night on the next day or since speaks volumes and the fact that he has never yet commented on that evening also speaks volumes.
Mitchells PR team have been good but the story revolves around the evidence that they have been sitting on for nearly 12 months now.
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| Quote WIZEB="WIZEB"Food Banks for the hungry.
Pensioners freezing to death this winter.
A million kids under 25 with no employment.
......And millions of pounds being spent on this bollox!'"
You may just recall that this bollox, as you call it, was created by certain police officers and their lies. Having read you previous comments of the subject it is no surprise to find that seeking justice is not something you aspire to.
It does not seem to trouble you at all that police officers have made false statements and with gathering evidence of a police conspiracy that is now increasingly looking like a police cover up at the highest level. The non independent enquiry by the police into alleged police misconduct has been dragged out in the hope it would all go away. Quite why the Deputy Commissioner, who is running the Operation Alice enquiry, chose to interview over 700 of the DPG officers is a mystery and one reason why is has taken so long. (by May the cost was £144k) Not only is it a worry about police corruption but that they cannot even solve what should have been a simple case/enquiry.
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