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Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 10:45 am  

Why should police staff be watching their weight any more than you or me?

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 11:32 am  

Rather distressing posts from Fire men who were not allowed to attend for "health and safety reasons". https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... ction_list

Rather distressing posts from Fire men who were not allowed to attend for "health and safety reasons". https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... ction_list

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 11:33 am  

Because I sit in an office all day as a job. They are expected to chase criminals and being fat doesn't help that.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 11:47 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

They are expected to chase criminals and being fat doesn't help that.

Yep - Bobbies spend their working hours chasing stripey jumper clad bad guys down our streets.

You're an idiot.

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Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 11:48 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

Because I sit in an office all day as a job. They are expected to chase criminals and being fat doesn't help that.

I'm afraid you're displaying your ignorance there. Police staff don't chase criminals. Police officers do that.

As a former member of police staff I speak from experience.

Your figures quoted police officers AND staff. I'd be interested in the figures for just officers.

Sometimes facts don't fit with your prejudice.

Come back when you've got the right numbers before slagging off people that keep you safe.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 2:15 pm  

22 years in the Army tells me there is no place for fatties in an active job like the Military and Police. Go on tell me all the England rugby team are clinically obese on the scale.

If they aren't chasing criminals they should be privatised.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 4:43 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

22 years in the Army tells me there is no place for fatties in an active job like the Military and Police. Go on tell me all the England rugby team are clinically obese on the scale.

..

In the bar one night you're getting beaten up by 6 blokes. You have a choice of assistance, would you pick a Constable Fred Astaire, or a Constable William "The Refrigerator" Perry?

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu May 25, 2017 5:16 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Dialogue with ISIS? And lefties wonder why they're labelled 'loony'.

ISIS don't want dialogue. They want us (the West) dead. All of us. FFS, they want all non-ISIS conforming Muslims dead, so we're not in line for any cosy chats any time soon.

They want to re-establish the Caliphate and spread it across Europe, and eventually the world, under strict Sharia rule. They will kill anyone standing in their way (by a variety of gruesome means, and all on video). They celebrate setting off shrapnel bombs amongst crowds of young girls. Be under no illusion: this is their goal.

Unfortunately the Western liberal mindset is wholly incapable of dealing with this, and of acknowledging the fact our policies of open borders, aggressive political correctness and 'tolerance' are allowing these extremist mindsets to flourish right in our communities, while we're at war with them elsewhere.

I'm a Mancunian. 3 of the victims were local to me. I've felt incredibly sad and heartbroken since the attack - but I'm also angry. And let's be honest, all this 'Love Manchester' stuff is great, but it doesn't actually achieve anything. A vigil, a poem, a few pictures of Muslims smiling with Police officers, people handing out drinks, cafes offering free brews - all very nice and perhaps necessary at this moment, but there's a huge undercurrent of anger being ignored by the press.

Do whatever is necessary. If someone is found to have ISIS training manuals on their PC, lock them up or deport them. If someone is posting pro-ISIS views or flying ISIS flags, the same applies. If the law needs changing, change it. I've said it since 7/7: stop being so nice when so many people want to kill us. Given what we know about Salman Abedi, he should never, ever have been walking the streets of the UK.

And another thing: if I see or hear someone else declaring 'this is nothing to do with Islam', I might huff testily. ISIS follow Wahhabi Sunni Islam, and they are far from alone in this. Everything is carried out in the name of Allah, and there is plenty of support for any attacks on the West. 'This has nothing to do with most Muslims' is more accurate. I don't blame the wider Muslim community, I blame the attackers first and foremost, and I blame us and our politicians for not being willing to take the hard, unpopular decisions at home, while having made some terrible decisions across the Middle East.

Please don't talk common sense, it's not welcome in modern Britain. Also, your post was hate speech, i shall be reporting you to the thought crime division.

Good day, sir

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Fri May 26, 2017 7:47 am  

Cronus wrote:

Dialogue with ISIS? And lefties wonder why they're labelled 'loony'.

ISIS don't want dialogue. They want us (the West) dead. All of us. FFS, they want all non-ISIS conforming Muslims dead, so we're not in line for any cosy chats any time soon.

They want to re-establish the Caliphate and spread it across Europe, and eventually the world, under strict Sharia rule. They will kill anyone standing in their way (by a variety of gruesome means, and all on video). They celebrate setting off shrapnel bombs amongst crowds of young girls. Be under no illusion: this is their goal.

Unfortunately the Western liberal mindset is wholly incapable of dealing with this, and of acknowledging the fact our policies of open borders, aggressive political correctness and 'tolerance' are allowing these extremist mindsets to flourish right in our communities, while we're at war with them elsewhere.

I'm a Mancunian. 3 of the victims were local to me. I've felt incredibly sad and heartbroken since the attack - but I'm also angry. And let's be honest, all this 'Love Manchester' stuff is great, but it doesn't actually achieve anything. A vigil, a poem, a few pictures of Muslims smiling with Police officers, people handing out drinks, cafes offering free brews - all very nice and perhaps necessary at this moment, but there's a huge undercurrent of anger being ignored by the press.

Do whatever is necessary. If someone is found to have ISIS training manuals on their PC, lock them up or deport them. If someone is posting pro-ISIS views or flying ISIS flags, the same applies. If the law needs changing, change it. I've said it since 7/7: stop being so nice when so many people want to kill us. Given what we know about Salman Abedi, he should never, ever have been walking the streets of the UK.

And another thing: if I see or hear someone else declaring 'this is nothing to do with Islam', I might huff testily. ISIS follow Wahhabi Sunni Islam, and they are far from alone in this. Everything is carried out in the name of Allah, and there is plenty of support for any attacks on the West. 'This has nothing to do with most Muslims' is more accurate. I don't blame the wider Muslim community, I blame the attackers first and foremost, and I blame us and our politicians for not being willing to take the hard, unpopular decisions at home, while having made some terrible decisions across the Middle East.

It's hard to disagree with any of this.

However, what "hard & unpopular" decisions do you want our politicians to take ?
Everyone seems to acknowledge that the UK's involvement alongside the Bush administration was wrong and "toppling" Hussain and Gadaffi has had an adverse effect on making that area or the world outside any safer.

How do you defeat an unseen enemy ?

Bin Laden was taken out but, there is always another mad man to take his place.
I dont think that "we" know how to solve this one.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Fri May 26, 2017 9:09 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

How do you defeat an unseen enemy ?

Bin Laden was taken out but, there is always another mad man to take his place.
I dont think that "we" know how to solve this one.

I fully agree. What we can do though is make it far more difficult for those known or flagged up to the police and intelligence agencies to operate. We have to stop worrying about the possibility that we may offend somebody from a particular nation or of a particular belief by taking a hard line. This is not about discrimination, it is about doing all that is possible to keep the nation as a whole as safe as possible.