Re: UK Asylum seekers : Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:43 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Strange then that only a tiny fraction try to come to the UK compared to the numbers who go to and stay in Germany and France.

I'm well aware. I'm offering an explanation as to why people would want to take the risk to get to the UK as opposed to staying in a safe EU country as there are some people who can't wrap their head around it.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:20 am  

Shameful.
Them poor migrants looking forward to their sunny African summer holidays.
The BigBird is still on the tarmac.
This one's going well.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:03 am  

WIZEB wrote:

Shameful.
Them poor migrants looking forward to their sunny African summer holidays.
The BigBird is still on the tarmac.
This one's going well.

The Government are pretty clueless what to do really and thought for one millisecond about asking Sir Keir and his mates for advice then realised they'd probably make a bigger cock up than them, maybe you've got a theory or two how to solve a pretty desperate situation instead of taking the pish.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:37 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Strange then that only a tiny fraction try to come to the UK compared to the numbers who go to and stay in Germany and France.

I think you got him there.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:15 am  

chissitt wrote:

The Government are pretty clueless what to do really and thought for one millisecond about asking Sir Keir and his mates for advice then realised they'd probably make a bigger cock up than them, maybe you've got a theory or two how to solve a pretty desperate situation instead of taking the pish.

Despite what your right wing newspapers will tell you this isn't a "pretty desperate situation" for the UK (although clearly it is for the poor souls risking their lives).

Performatively sending them, at huge cost, to a country with major human rights issues is just grist for right wingers who have long since lost their moral and fiscal compasses.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:31 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Despite what your right wing newspapers will tell you this isn't a "pretty desperate situation" for the UK (although clearly it is for the poor souls risking their lives).

Performatively sending them, at huge cost, to a country with major human rights issues is just grist for right wingers who have long since lost their moral and fiscal compasses.

First of all I don't read newspapers so left or right they are not my newspapers, now that we're clear on that I'll ask you the same question as I asked old numb nuts, do you have a plan to sort out this problem which is clearly causing concern, or will you just revert to type and blame the government, I could accuse your mates of also being clueless as they for once don't seem to have a solution either, till I realised that Sir Keir (notice how I've spelt his name right) and his band of merry men & woman aren't your mates at all, just someone to help you berate this Government, can't wait till the loony left get in to see you siding with the Tories against them

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:26 am  

chissitt wrote:

First of all I don't read newspapers so left or right they are not my newspapers, now that we're clear on that I'll ask you the same question as I asked old numb nuts, do you have a plan to sort out this problem which is clearly causing concern, or will you just revert to type and blame the government, I could accuse your mates of also being clueless as they for once don't seem to have a solution either, till I realised that Sir Keir (notice how I've spelt his name right) and his band of merry men & woman aren't your mates at all, just someone to help you berate this Government, can't wait till the loony left get in to see you siding with the Tories against them

You're deliberately framing the whole discussion in a silly way with starting points of, "this is a HUGE CRISIS!!!" and "well if you don't believe in illegally deporting people to Rwanda what is your solution? It's a HUGE CRISIS?!".

1. It's not a huge crisis.
2. Deporting people, at a huge cost, to a country we have ourselves said has human rights failings failings is not the solution on a cost or a legal or a humane level.

What is my solution?

1. Follow the laws and international agreements we have signed up to
2. Fund the asylum and immigration systems properly so that there aren't backlogs - this is a lot cheaper than the Rwanda plan
3. If people don't meet the criteria (which is a minority of applicants) deport them in line with our international agreements and commitments
4. Don't be racist, xenophobic, irrational or afraid. If the media you follow or the politicians you support are encouraging you to think that poor people, mostly of colour, with few possessions and no money are the biggest problem you're facing then step back and think maybe you're being played for a fool.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:07 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Don't be racist, xenophobic, irrational or afraid. If the media you follow or the politicians you support are encouraging you to think that poor people, mostly of colour, with few possessions and no money are the biggest problem you're facing then step back and think maybe you're being played for a fool.

I am not being a racist, xenophobic or irrational, I am simply asking you to supply your own answers to the problem in hand which you can't do but simply trot out the usual stuff from the papers which Incidentally I have already told you I don't read nor do I support any politician which once again I have gone to some length to tell you that before now, so if you do not have a solution don't try the soft shoe shuffle with your innuendos about my non existing political leanings to sidestep your own ignorance on the matter, incidentally I see you've sidestepped my question on whether or not you'll still have the same opinions if Sir Keir gets in next time, just a thought really as you've probably a long time to think about it.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:36 pm  

chissitt wrote:

I am not being a racist, xenophobic or irrational, I am simply asking you to supply your own answers to the problem in hand which you can't do but simply trot out the usual stuff from the papers which Incidentally I have already told you I don't read nor do I support any politician which once again I have gone to some length to tell you that before now, so if you do not have a solution don't try the soft shoe shuffle with your innuendos about my non existing political leanings to sidestep your own ignorance on the matter, incidentally I see you've sidestepped my question on whether or not you'll still have the same opinions if Sir Keir gets in next time, just a thought really as you've probably a long time to think about it.

If Starmer creates policy for nothing but short-term political gain which directly targets some of the weakest, most powerless in our country then yes I will criticise him too. Likewise if he tries to undermine our democratic institutions and election processes, brings shame to our country on the world stage or breaks laws - civil, criminal or international.

Re: UK Asylum seekers : Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:42 pm  

The easiest option would be to set up legal sites in various countries to allow those wishing to apply to do so before they get to the channel. Their applications can then be approved or rejected. This would then indicate that those coming had been rejected or not applied making it easier to return them.
The problem is that the Home office is basically not fit for purpose with current applications taking too long and we don’t have legal routes in those countries where they are most needed.
I suppose it depends on the purpose of the flights and what type of the U.K. population they are trying to appeal to.
I hope that helps you Chissitt with an alternative or is this still not acceptable to you.