Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:46 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Britain is many countries away from Ukraine. You would naturally expect our quota to be lower than the immediate neighbours as is the quota in USA.
Our major commitment is to assist the fight to fend off the red army. There are many dimensions to the overall conflict but you wouldn’t see that.

This was his post which clearly relates to our humanitarian contribution to Ukraine which clearly said it was lower because of distance away. It was pointed out that Ireland is further away but have taken a higher number of Ukrainian refugees than us so proving another failed defence of the de Pffell government.

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:21 am  

wire-quin wrote:

And…..

The point being that, any individual who is suffering, especially the loss of a family member, that suffering is more important to them than anything else that may be taking place on the planet.
And to be told that you cannot or must not visit them on their death bed or attend their funeral, whilst those making and enforcing those rules are partying every Friday night, is simply not right.

Im sure that even in your selfish blue tinted world, you do actually understand this, at least I hope you do.

Of course there are and always will be more important issues.
Hell, all of only exist to allow the human species to survive and in that context, nothing really matters, does it ?

For Bojo, it may be a good thing that there is some focus on the need for a micky up because, most of the rest that he is responsible for is going pear shaped.

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:08 am  

I see Vlad has now banned Boris from Russia. Maybe he should join this forum and join the rest of the Boris haters!!

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:56 pm  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61134002

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61134002

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:50 am  

wire-quin wrote:

I see Vlad has now banned Boris from Russia. Maybe he should join this forum and join the rest of the Boris haters!!

I see what you are doing there, trying to make out that those who dislike Boris are akin to Putin.

Remember, Boris was never at those parties/gatherings and all of the rules were followed at all times (according to Lyin' Boris)
Boris and Putin have plenty in common and if Purin decided to send illegal immigrants to Africa, I'm sure that you would say how despicable it was.....................

The Teflon Tory is finally coming unstuck.

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:54 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I see what you are doing there, trying to make out that those who dislike Boris are akin to Putin.

Well to be fair Putin only sees what he wants to see, as well as telling fibs to suit his agenda

[Mild Rover]

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:21 am  

I do wonder how much traditional, stiff upper lip, one nation, law and order, say your prayers, bring back national service type Tories can stomach of this… or how important they even are to the Johnsonite coalition. Have they all just died off? Or just given up?

We’re in uncharted UK political territory. The Conservative Party might be permanently and irrecoverably changed, and if there are people who want to stop that their window of opportunity is closing fast. Just not embracing Johnsonian politics and hoping it passes won’t be enough… you can’t have several years of this and then easily revert to your core principles. As the US Republicans are finding out post-Trump and attack on the Capitol.

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:50 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I do wonder how much traditional, stiff upper lip, one nation, law and order, say your prayers, bring back national service type Tories can stomach of this… or how important they even are to the Johnsonite coalition. Have they all just died off? Or just given up?

We’re in uncharted UK political territory. The Conservative Party might be permanently and irrecoverably changed, and if there are people who want to stop that their window of opportunity is closing fast. Just not embracing Johnsonian politics and hoping it passes won’t be enough… you can’t have several years of this and then easily revert to your core principles. As the US Republicans are finding out post-Trump and attack on the Capitol.

The Tory party has gone full out nativist and culture war now. There's plenty of people out there who will fall for this sort of stuff and vote for them unfortunately.

The biggest void though is that the party isn't interested in serious policy any more. Every announcement is either a grift for themselves or their donors or something they put out to rile their red faced base and/or trigger the libs. There's no one sitting down and making policy based on outcomes or a coherent ideology. Operating week to week trying to own the news cycle and constantly coming up with new ways to distract from their own bad news stories is no way to govern.

[Mild Rover]

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:57 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

The Tory party has gone full out nativist and culture war now. There's plenty of people out there who will fall for this sort of stuff and vote for them unfortunately.

The biggest void though is that the party isn't interested in serious policy any more. Every announcement is either a grift for themselves or their donors or something they put out to rile their red faced base and/or trigger the libs. There's no one sitting down and making policy based on outcomes or a coherent ideology. Operating week to week trying to own the news cycle and constantly coming up with new ways to distract from their own bad news stories is no way to govern.

Aye, it is full on Trumpian and there’s clearly an electoral market for that. Kind of weird to see the old order overthrown not by a different political or economic philosophy but by chancers and spivs, basically. They’ve always been around, but never with their hands on the wheel. I just wonder whether the traditional Tories can win back their party ultimately. Could somebody like Tom Tugenhadt or Tobias Ellwood become leader, and try to contain the damage to the brand similarly to Starmer with Corbyn? Or will the party want to carry on down its current path… and if they do, what are the longer-term consequences? A split/new party? A little shuffle to the right by the Lib Dems for those who feel politically homeless?

It’s a massive decision for them, about what the party is and what it stands for, and it seems to be being influenced by some relatively trivial, short-term indicators and spurious factors. I don’t think most of them (the parliamentary Conservative party) have really got a grip on it yet - perhaps because a lot of those from the red wall seats are inexperienced and/or maybe just not very attached to ‘traditional Conservative values’.

Re: BorisGate - A Christmas Cover Up : Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:30 am  

chissitt wrote:

Well to be fair Putin only sees what he wants to see, as well as telling fibs to suit his agenda

Reminds me of Boris !