Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:46 pm  

I think we may be heading for a Brexit extension.
Court papers have shown that this will be applied for on 17th October, which doesn't give Boris too much wiggle room.
Therefore, everything going on now is posturing in anticipation of a General Election.

Will Boris "do or die" Johnson be ousted, for failing his main objective or, was "do or die" just more bluster from "chicken" Boris.
I dont think he will get the gong for the shortest term as Prime Minister but, up to now, he's been the least effective.

Played 6 lost 6 but the game hasn't ended yet

For those of us with left of centre politics, we really have to hope that Farage & Boris nullify each other as Labor are more impotent than an Eskimo on a cold day.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:46 am  

True colours shining through from vote leave, with the following tweet aimed directly at Angela Merkel:

“We didn’t win two world wars to be pushed around by a Kraut.”

It's since been taken down but it does seem to show what they really think.
I'm just proud that 17million + want to side with them

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:10 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

True colours shining through from vote leave, with the following tweet aimed directly at Angela Merkel:

“We didn’t win two world wars to be pushed around by a Kraut.”

It's since been taken down but it does seem to show what they really think.
I'm just proud that 17million + want to side with them

Yeah it ranks alongside the "special place in hell" comment about anyone who voted to leave. I'm so proud of the 15.8 million who side with that if we're playing the guilt by association game.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:30 am  

wotsupcas wrote:

Yeah it ranks alongside the "special place in hell" comment about anyone who voted to leave. I'm so proud of the 15.8 million who side with that if we're playing the guilt by association game.

That would be a passable bit of whataboutery, if it were even remotely true.

What he actually said was: "I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely."

So ya know - nil points.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:37 pm  

bren2k wrote:

That would be a passable bit of whataboutery, if it were even remotely true.

What he actually said was: "I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely."

So ya know - nil points.

I agree but Cameron never believed he would lose, then he simply abdicated.

Its obvious to everyone - why would the EU give us a deal and why would the MPs who on the whole don't want to leave fight for a deal. The Benn act effectively stops the EU even working on a deal because they believe an extension is coming - it does beg the question as to which side parliament is really on.

Then you have Labour's farcical position - we will do a deal with the EU - which in effect is remain to all intents and purposes - and then we will campaign to remain i.e. campaign against their own deal - so effectively what Labour are offering is remain but they are a democratic party (sic) and they will have a debate about which version of remain they will back - madness.

The question still remains what happens if we have another referendum and we again vote to leave? We originally voted to go in to enable smoother trade with the EU not to be part of a political super state over which we have very little influence.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:54 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: I agree but Cameron never believed he would lose, then he simply abdicated. Its obvious to everyone - why would the EU give us a deal and why would the MPs who on the whole don't want to leave fight for a deal. The Benn act effectively stops the EU even working on a deal because they believe an extension is coming - it does beg the question as to which side parliament is really on. Then you have Labour's farcical position - we will do a deal with the EU - which in effect is remain to all intents and purposes - and then we will campaign to remain i.e. campaign against their own deal - so effectively what Labour are offering is remain but they are a democratic party (sic) and they will have a debate about which version of remain they will back - madness. The question still remains what happens if we have another referendum and we again vote to leave? We originally voted to go in to enable smoother trade with the EU not to be part of a political super state over which we have very little influence. How can you possibly bemoan the actions of Parliament. It is THE kingpin of everything that Brexit stands for. A reminder for you: www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html Maybe you should look up the numerous blatant lies and false promises while you are at it, they are absolutely hilarious. I'm sure that you, along with everyone else who voted leave, wasn't taken in by any of it

Sal Paradise wrote: I agree but Cameron never believed he would lose, then he simply abdicated. Its obvious to everyone - why would the EU give us a deal and why would the MPs who on the whole don't want to leave fight for a deal. The Benn act effectively stops the EU even working on a deal because they believe an extension is coming - it does beg the question as to which side parliament is really on. Then you have Labour's farcical position - we will do a deal with the EU - which in effect is remain to all intents and purposes - and then we will campaign to remain i.e. campaign against their own deal - so effectively what Labour are offering is remain but they are a democratic party (sic) and they will have a debate about which version of remain they will back - madness. The question still remains what happens if we have another referendum and we again vote to leave? We originally voted to go in to enable smoother trade with the EU not to be part of a political super state over which we have very little influence. How can you possibly bemoan the actions of Parliament. It is THE kingpin of everything that Brexit stands for. A reminder for you: www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html Maybe you should look up the numerous blatant lies and false promises while you are at it, they are absolutely hilarious. I'm sure that you, along with everyone else who voted leave, wasn't taken in by any of it

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:28 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Then you have Labour's farcical position - we will do a deal with the EU - which in effect is remain to all intents and purposes - and then we will campaign to remain i.e. campaign against their own deal - so effectively what Labour are offering is remain but they are a democratic party (sic) and they will have a debate about which version of remain they will back - madness.

That's not at all Labour's position, or even close to it; they have said they would seek an extension, then negotiate the best deal they could with the EU, and put that, and Remain, to a PV - and enact the result. It literally couldn't be simpler.

The need of the media, and pillocks, for MP's and political parties to have a binary, hive mind about this issue, which has proven for 3 years to be entirely non-binary and multi-faceted, demonstrates the depths that our political discourse has sunk to; fuelled by the media acting as stenographers for the worst kind of charlatans our political class has ever produced.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:34 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: How can you possibly bemoan the actions of Parliament. It is THE kingpin of everything that Brexit stands for. A reminder for you: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html Maybe you should look up the numerous blatant lies and false promises while you are at it, they are absolutely hilarious. I'm sure that you, along with everyone else who voted leave, wasn't taken in by any of it Are you for real - I don't think so - Parliament has done everything it can to block Brexit and that includes the speaker. My view has always been the only way to leave is no deal with all the short term calamitous consequences. We differ on whether this is right thing - if it were only a trading relationship that would be ideal to stay in but its not. The disconnect as you well know is the inability to accept the vote by MPs - guarantee we would not be in the position if we had voted to remain by a slender majority.

wrencat1873 wrote: How can you possibly bemoan the actions of Parliament. It is THE kingpin of everything that Brexit stands for. A reminder for you: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html Maybe you should look up the numerous blatant lies and false promises while you are at it, they are absolutely hilarious. I'm sure that you, along with everyone else who voted leave, wasn't taken in by any of it Are you for real - I don't think so - Parliament has done everything it can to block Brexit and that includes the speaker. My view has always been the only way to leave is no deal with all the short term calamitous consequences. We differ on whether this is right thing - if it were only a trading relationship that would be ideal to stay in but its not. The disconnect as you well know is the inability to accept the vote by MPs - guarantee we would not be in the position if we had voted to remain by a slender majority.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The question still remains what happens if we have another referendum and we again vote to leave?

You've asked that a number of times & it has been answered. Are you going to keep asking until you get the answer you like......

We originally voted to go in to enable smoother trade with the EU not to be part of a political super state over which we have very little influence.

Sensationalist Daily Mail cliche garbage. Yet you are happy being ruled by an Eton elite with a lying, cheating, woman assaulting, narcissistic PM who wasn't elected by the people. We have a 1/28th say in the EU, the same as everyone else.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:43 pm  

tigertot wrote:

You've asked that a number of times & it has been answered. Are you going to keep asking until you get the answer you like......
Sensationalist Daily Mail cliche garbage. Yet you are happy being ruled by an Eton elite with a lying, cheating, woman assaulting, narcissistic PM who wasn't elected by the people. We have a 1/28th say in the EU, the same as everyone else.

Name the last PM to be elected by the public... I'll put the slow cooker on whilst I await a response.