Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:41 am  

I was actually thinking more of your mates which I thought was obvious with the reference to Farage and the Sun.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:12 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I was actually thinking more of your mates which I thought was obvious with the reference to Farage and the Sun.

They will forever accuse others of that which they are themselves guilty. It's Grievance Politics 101.

Trawl back, if you dare, through JONNY, or Chussy or wotsup's posts and try and find a single policy argument. It's all culture wars, identity politics and "what about Jeremy Corbyn"?

And that is Labour's, indeed any opposition party's biggest challenge. For a large chunk of voters, policy doesn't matter any more.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:56 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

They will forever accuse others of that which they are themselves guilty. It's Grievance Politics 101.

Trawl back, if you dare, through JONNY, or Chussy or wotsup's posts and try and find a single policy argument. It's all culture wars, identity politics and "what about Jeremy Corbyn"?

And that is Labour's, indeed any opposition party's biggest challenge. For a large chunk of voters, policy doesn't matter any more.

The Labour Party’s biggest challenge is to come up with some policy’s that the public will vote for. Quite obviously they have failed, otherwise they would be in power. As for Corbyn, yes indeed what about Corbyn, it’s obvious you have to mention him ,he was the leader of the Labour Party that was a spectacular failure. It’s always convenient for the left of this country to blame the woes of the Labour Party on farage and the sun. It’s a extremely useful cop out. You claim that for a large chunk of voters policy doesn’t matter, certainly the Labour Party’s policy on Brexit damaged them.
Also the Labour Party’s policy on immigration may well cost them the next election. May suit the Labour Party to scrap failed policies and go back to your favourite identity politics. Oh wait on ,they already do that, take a bow Angela Rayner, also let’s not forget the mastermind genius David lammy

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:35 pm  

I wonder why these lunatics think a woman and a black man being in the shadow cabinet is "identity politics".

Do they ever take a step back and wonder, "are we the baddies"?

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:28 pm  

They could of course just produce a manifesto promising 40 new hospitals for example knowing that they are not going to honour the pledge.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:59 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

They could of course just produce a manifesto promising 40 new hospitals for example knowing that they are not going to honour the pledge.

Good thinking, the pleasurable thing for you is if it doesn't happen it's something else for you to moan about.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:27 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

For someone who likes to portray himself as high and mighty bragging about writing books and possessing an extensive library it doesn’t take long for you to start hurling insults. Of course immigrant numbers are important, if we take half a million can you imagine the strain on the nhs and social services. Plus the bulk of these people get shunted into working class areas, that causes friction and the rise of right wing politicians.
Then people like you can squeal about facism and racism. You may want to check out the immigrant problems in Sheffield ,even david blunkett voiced concerns about that. Most of the cheerleaders for high levels of immigration aren’t affected by the problems brought about by this policy.
Anybody expressing concern about immigration are shouted down as gammon faced racists, but you know about that as you are the biggest culprit on this site for that.

Unfortunately you won't really get too much normal debate from ghost he's got Narcissistic Personality Disorder, he definitely ticks all the boxes just Google the traits associated with this mental illness

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:32 pm  

Hey JONNY you ever posted anything about policies? Got any views on the minimum wage, nationalisation, the NHS, tax or social policy? Or are mindless attacks on other people still all you've got?

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:03 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I wonder why these lunatics think a woman and a black man being in the shadow cabinet is "identity politics".

Do they ever take a step back and wonder, "are we the baddies"?

It’s not a question of being a woman or being black, as usual you change the narrative to deflect the blindingly obvious. Then you resort to your usual pattern of insulting people who don’t share the same views as you.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:07 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

It’s not a question of being a woman or being black, as usual you change the narrative to deflect the blindingly obvious. Then you resort to your usual pattern of insulting people who don’t share the same views as you.

Damn right I'm happy to insult people with doubtful or unpleasant motives. Whether you fall into that category I don't know.