Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:21 am  

DGM wrote:

Is the burden on our services (NHS, Education, housing etc) caused by EU immigration or by austerity measures implemented over the past few years, or maybe a bit of both?

As LebronJames said, leaving the EU will have little or no impact on immigration. This is because, as he says, immigration will be determined by economic forces. The Australia 'points system' is a prime example. They actually have a higher rate of immigration than us.

Also, there is a strong possibility that, all we are going to do (post Brexit) is swap some EU immigration for a higher level of immigration from outside the EU.
We have had "control" of immigration from ourside the EU but, there were around 300,000 people came to the UK last year from outside Europe.
Farage and his pals hoodwinked the majority of the population by promising control, without actually saying how this would be done and they believed him !
There is an issue with mass migration, which was never considered at the outset of the EU, when it was 5/7 nations with similar "standing" and fee movement wasn't an issue whatsoever.
However, the current situation does need some work and whilst the EU has been far too slow to act, there is little doubt that there needs to be a change.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:56 am  

The majority are not saying stop immigration, I think most would prefer immigration that is managed and allows in people who can fill gaps particularly if they are highly skilled.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:59 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

The majority are not saying stop immigration, I think most would prefer immigration that is managed and allows in people who can fill gaps particularly if they are highly skilled.

Which majority are you referring to? What gives you the right to speak for this majority?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:02 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

What population do you suggest we can sustain ?

Wouldn't that depend on how many people are in good well paid jobs and therefore paying plenty of tax?

At present it is difficult for the country to sustain its population because so many people are in poorly paid jobs with zero hours contracts etc and therefore are forced to rely on the state.

Immigration has a net positive outcome for the country because most of them work and pay tax.

Quite how voluntarily voting for a period of economic instability and further job loss will benefit the country is beyond me. The Brexiteers have yet to come up with any real plan for how the country is going to get better.

I strongly suspect that most of them realise that the referendum was a false outcome because a great many people (certainly more than 2%) voted out because they thought that the health service was going to benefit greatly from leaving. Now that it has become clear that the NHS will actually be cut further under May many of those would vote Remain if there was a vote today.

Personally I think we should accept the result but I think the bluster of many of the Brexiteers hides the fact that none of them have a clue about what the country should look like, other than 'less foreigners'.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:49 am  

Exiled down south wrote:
The majority are not saying stop immigration, I think most would prefer immigration that is managed and allows in people who can fill gaps particularly if they are highly skilled.


Which majority are you referring to? What gives you the right to speak for this majority?

Maybe simple maths. Referendum being quite tight I doubt every Brexit voter chose out on immigration and it is a reasonable assumption remain voters didn't mind the current immigration process. Result - majority

I'm sure you are going to drop in a pie chart to prove this assumption wrong, unlikely though, I suspect.

Over to you, Bamber

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:39 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

The majority are not saying stop immigration, I think most would prefer immigration that is managed and allows in people who can fill gaps particularly if they are highly skilled.

Wouldn't these highly skilled people be better staying and improving their own countries ?

I do find the argument that we saw during the referendum debate that we need cheap labour to work the fields to produce food a strange one , so essentially some are ok to import what is essentially slave labour as long as their fruit and veg remains cheap in the supermarket

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:49 pm  

Wouldn't these highly skilled people be better staying and improving their own countries ?

You seem to be suggesting they all come from emerging markets/third world countries

If the tech industry isn't strong in their counties why not bring their high tech skills to UK??

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:05 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

You seem to be suggesting they all come from emerging markets/third world countries

If the tech industry isn't strong in their counties why not bring their high tech skills to UK??

I rarely suggest ' All ' in anything , check out the recent election result in Lithuania

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:15 am  

GUBRATS wrote: Wouldn't these highly skilled people be better staying and improving their own countries ? What a stupid comment to make. Reminds me of the Stewart Lee routine about immigration and a comment Paul Nuttall made (he's a right wing nutter from UKIP), which you've quoted pretty much word for word unfortunately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw9qN6_eXOg

GUBRATS wrote: Wouldn't these highly skilled people be better staying and improving their own countries ? What a stupid comment to make. Reminds me of the Stewart Lee routine about immigration and a comment Paul Nuttall made (he's a right wing nutter from UKIP), which you've quoted pretty much word for word unfortunately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw9qN6_eXOg

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:20 am  

DGM wrote: What a stupid comment to make. Reminds me of the Stewart Lee routine about immigration and a comment Paul Nuttall made (he's a right wing nutter from UKIP), which you've quoted pretty much word for word unfortunately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw9qN6_eXOg There is a valid point here. If any country loses all of it's "best talent" how will it prosper or, should it wait to be "helped" by it's wealthier friends.

DGM wrote: What a stupid comment to make. Reminds me of the Stewart Lee routine about immigration and a comment Paul Nuttall made (he's a right wing nutter from UKIP), which you've quoted pretty much word for word unfortunately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw9qN6_eXOg There is a valid point here. If any country loses all of it's "best talent" how will it prosper or, should it wait to be "helped" by it's wealthier friends.