Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:02 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

The only no answer is if you are in a wheelchair with no means to self propel. Yep, even if you can self propel in a wheelchair only scores you low points, a motorised wheelchair or mobilty scooter scores you 0 points as you have the means to "travel" 20 metres. I am hoping when it comes to mine they take into account the damage to my wrists, hands and shoulder and realise I can't self propel. Even then you need proof that you can't do it. A leg amputee has no excuse either, having a prosthetic leg scores low points too

i'm sorry, from your quote i thought the question was 'can you walk 50m'.
you still answer 'no'.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:12 pm  

samwire wrote:

i'm sorry, from your quote i thought the question was 'can you walk 50m'.
you still answer 'no'.

Its phrased as "mobilise" 20 metres.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:27 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Its phrased as "mobilise" 20 metres.

still 'no'. always 'no'.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:45 pm  

samwire wrote:

still 'no'. always 'no'.

Another problem is it doesn't take into account fluctuating conditions. A no means not ever and we need to see proof of you never being able to walk/mobilise20 metres again. This is my point. DLA was/is hard to get, but you were able to give an account of the bigger picture, the new PIP is a tick box computer system called LIMA with a yes or no answer. I answer no and they have CCTV footage of me struggling in the car park and walking further than 20metres, (which is a laugh in itself as some disabled parking is more than 20m away from your destination) and I will be done for fraud and be labelled a liar and scrounger.

Theres things going on in the background for PIP and to make it fairer, the fight is not over yet.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:52 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Different tests and different benefits mate.

Ah, I said "fit for work" when we are talking about DLA?
Sorry.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:55 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Its phrased as "mobilise" 20 metres.

Blimey, that's even worse, it's not even English.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:07 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Blimey, that's even worse, it's not even English.

Blame the DWP, but just looking up the official meaning it says "to move around".

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:44 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Another problem is it doesn't take into account fluctuating conditions. A no means not ever and we need to see proof of you never being able to walk/mobilise20 metres again. This is my point. DLA was/is hard to get, but you were able to give an account of the bigger picture, the new PIP is a tick box computer system called LIMA with a yes or no answer. I answer no and they have CCTV footage of me struggling in the car park and walking further than 20metres, (which is a laugh in itself as some disabled parking is more than 20m away from your destination) and I will be done for fraud and be labelled a liar and scrounger.

Theres things going on in the background for PIP and to make it fairer, the fight is not over yet.

if it's a yes/no answer, then the answer is 'no'. it's that sodding easy. you've already said you don't get chance to explain anything. so why the hell do you want to?

as for the last bit, you're a true conspiracy theorist. or if you're that bothered, wear a disguise.

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:52 am  

samwire wrote:

if it's a yes/no answer, then the answer is 'no'. it's that sodding easy. you've already said you don't get chance to explain anything. so why the hell do you want to?

If the real answer is "not always" then the only answer that can be given is "yes"

samwire wrote:

as for the last bit, you're a true conspiracy theorist. or if you're that bothered, wear a disguise.

Interesting that two of our more rabid, resident tories are so ambivalent to what is effectively benefit fraud

Re: Cameron reprimanded for false claim on debt : Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:26 am  

cod'ead wrote:

If the real answer is "not always" then the only answer that can be given is "yes"

or no.

Interesting that two of our more rabid, resident tories are so ambivalent to what is effectively benefit fraud

are they? who's that then?