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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:51 am  
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Children never 'just happen'. They are the result of a choice. People choose to have sex and when they choose to do that they know that there is the risk of pregnancy even when using contraception


So poor people should not have sex (even with contraception) just in case the woman becomes pregnant?
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:16 am  
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That there is such a dilemma indicates how wrong the system has gone. Our benefits system as originally constructed was for the short term help of the unfortunate and elderly. The original author did not want his system to be a long term commitment because he was very aware of how dependent people would become upon it (read it for yourself). That has indeed happened. How to pull it all back? It's a dilemma because there is the risk of harm to children but that doesn't mean that the issue shouldn't be faced and that something shouldn't be done.

The original author doesn't have some sort of copyright on the way we run our benefit system now.
For me, there is no dilemma, the kids come first.
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:34 am  
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So poor people should not have sex (even with contraception) just in case the woman becomes pregnant?


Every sperm is sacred, check it out on a popular video sharing website ;-)
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:09 pm  
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Children never 'just happen'. They are the result of a choice. People choose to have sex and when they choose to do that they know that there is the risk of pregnancy even when using contraception


So in that case the only viable choice is not to have sex at all unless you want a kid because there is always a risk of contraception failing? Do you really think that?

My brother-in-law had the "snip". It failed and they now have a young child and the child's elder sister is about 30 years his senior!

They clearly didn't want any more kids, did something about it but it failed. Are you saying as he didn't want any more kids he and his wife should have abstained from sex for the rest of their lives?

In addition he is currently off work due a a medical problem stemming from an operation on his ear that went wrong leaving him with a kind of permanent vertigo. He may never work again. His wife is a cleaner in the local hospital. So they aren't well off (he is/was a repair man for Candy (formally Hoover)).

What do you have to say about their position now compared to when they had the unexpected arrival when he was still working?
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:11 pm  
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Every sperm is sacred, check it out on a popular video sharing website ;-)
Or you could buy the original film and celebrate British comedy at it's best.
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:13 pm  
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Or you could buy the original film and celebrate British comedy at it's best.

Life of Brian is superior IMO.
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:39 pm  
Have the box set, life of Brian is far the best the stoning scene has me in tears every time
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:22 pm  
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So poor people should not have sex (even with contraception) just in case the woman becomes pregnant?

Where did I say anything remotely like that? Nowhere, that's right. What I did say though is that having children is a choice and whenever we have sex we risk ending up with a child. How people manage that risk is entirely their own business but making the claim that children just happen, like this mysterious exchange of sperm and egg occurs all by itself, is just plain daft. People can make poor choices or the risk they choose to take can backfire but the whole process still begins with a decision to go for it.
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:29 pm  
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Of course, such pronouncements came hand in glove with the notion that it was in fact great to give all your money to the Church.

That particular 'pronouncement' didn't come hand in glove with that notion at all. The church didn't exist at the time that particular 'pronouncement' was made. In fact, Jesus was responding to questions from a very rich man who was struggling with the idea of sacrificing his wealth for the poor.

Which is essentially a main reason why the Catholic church is about the most obscenely rich organisation on the planet.

I know it is wealthy but I have no idea whether it is the wealthiest organisation on the planet.

There is no point in being skint mind you if you want to help the poor and needy! Can't really help the poor and needy if you're poor and needy yourself, can you? At least not in a financial sense anyway. That isn't a defence of the roman catholic church by the way but rather simply a truism.

The thing is, his dad is imaginary,

Ok.

and the amount of money a person has doesn't have any bearing on their capacity to be nice.

The amount of money was never the point. It was where the man placed his riches in his priorities. In other words, just how selfish was he? We're all selfish but when we have a lot it surely must be more tempting to keep hold of it rather than give it away or use it constructively to help others?

There is a constrasting story in the Bible about the 'widow's mite': that is, how often poor people who have very little will give a lot of what they have.
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Re: Revolution : Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:36 pm  
How did we get onto the usual arguement from the topic of revolution?
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