Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:12 am  

Standee wrote:

yes, too many people live lives they can't afford.

No personal responsibility.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:37 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

No personal responsibility.

agree 100%, that's what poe means, "I'll do as I please, someone else can pick up the tab"

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:19 am  

Standee wrote:

yes, too many people live lives they can't afford.

That's what our political masters want. Their whole ethos (and "system") is based on expanding credit. The Tories are still looking at introducing more schemes to encourage people who can't afford it to borrow to buy houses. Glad to see the EU s trying to block buy-to-let mortgages though. About time someone addressed the elephant in the room of market distortion via buy-to-let.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:44 am  

Standee wrote:

agree 100%, that's what poe means, "I'll do as I please, someone else can pick up the tab"

Make your bloody mind up.

You trot out the "politics of envy" at any and every opportunity, despite the fact that you more often use it in the wrong context than the correct one.

The welfare state has absolutely nothing to do with poe, it has everything to do with social responsibility.

If absolutely everyone lived within their means, not relying on credit at all - yes even mortgages are credit - then the western economies would've collapsed centuries ago and we'd be back to barter trade and periods of starvation.

Just because you declare yourself to be socially irresponsible, doesn't necessarily mean that those of us with a social conscience are envious of you. Quite the opposite in fact

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:18 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Do you want a clacker and a scarf to go with that attitude?

Every time the organ grinder starts up the handle you can always guarantee that this little monkey in its pillbox hat will pop up and shake a tin in your face, its almost like they are the same person...

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:35 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

:lol:
Every time the organ grinder starts up the handle you can always guarantee that this little monkey in its pillbox hat will pop up and shake a tin in your face, its almost like they are the same person...

Isn't it strange though?

There seems to be a number of organ grinders all sharing the same monkey.

I would've thought that sharing a single resource, no matter how useless it may be, would be a tad too "socialist" for many of them

[Kosh]

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:54 am  

Standee wrote:

where are kids starving, in fact, I'll qualify that, where are kids starving that is anyone's fault other than the parents that procreated and can't afford them?

it is not MY job to pay for other people to have unprotected sex.

I can guarantee you that it isn't the fault of the children. But it seems you'd happily see them suffer and die as long as it saved you a few quid? No offence, but that's a pretty despicable attitude to have.

[Kosh]

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:57 am  

Standee wrote:

agree 100%, that's what poe means, "I'll do as I please, someone else can pick up the tab"

The so-called 'politics of envy' are more than matched by the 'politics of resentment'.

And lack of responsibility is not 'envy' by any recognisable definition of the word.

[Kosh]

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:01 am  

Standee wrote:

yes, too many people live lives they can't afford.

Anyone with a line of credit is by definition living a life they can't afford. If everyone spent only what they earned, the current Capitalist model would collapse around our ears. In fact that's more or less what happened in 2008. Virtually every Western democracy has built their economic recovery since then on convincing people to spend money they don't actually have.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:36 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

:lol:
Every time the organ grinder starts up the handle you can always guarantee that this little monkey in its pillbox hat will pop up and shake a tin in your face, its almost like they are the same person...

Football supporter politics. I would like to say I expected better but....well I didn't. Not from you.