Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 4:47 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Another well reasoned argument

What do you expect from the Boris cheerleader-in-chief? He'll be too busy revelling in the lies of the 5 o'clock trolling session to engage his brain in anything but drivel.

At least we know the direction of travel for the Boris government now. They can do what they want, and Boris will cover for them. We have to do what we're told, and face the consequences if we don't.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:00 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

I know it doesnt answer your question, because as you know its impossible to find that out.
However
A teacher has died at the age of 35 after it is believed she contracted Covid-19, the school's principal has said in a letter to parents.
This was 10 days after lockdown

2 weeks ago ONS

At least 65 education sector workers with COVID-19 have died, new statistics show.

Data published today by the Office for National Statistics provides information on deaths involving COVID-19 across England and Wales, broken down by occupation.

It shows at least 65 education staff have died with coronavirus, of which 43 were women and 22 were men, as of April 20.

That includes 17 secondary school teachers, seven primary and nursery teachers, two SEND teachers, ten teaching assistants, six school lunchtime supervisors and school crossing patrols and two school secretaries.

However some of the occupation groups are generic (ie senior professionals of education establishments), so it’s unclear which education sector some of these staff worked in (see full table below).

The figures also include 10 higher education and 10 further education staff who have died with COVID-19.

The statistics solely look at the deceased’s occupation, it provides no further analysis – such as where the disease was caught



The rate of COVID-19-related deaths among teaching and educational professionals, which for the purposes of the data collection excludes TAs, educational support assistants, lunchtime and crossing patrols, school secretaries and advisers and inspectors, was 6.7 per 100,000 for men and 3.3 for women.

This is roughly the same rate as those classed as business and public service associate professionals (6.8 and 2.7) and corporate managers and directors (6.4 and 2.6), but much lower than those in elementary trades and related occupations (27.8 and 12.5) and those in textiles, printing and other skilled trades (24.6 and 7.0).

The ONS stated its analysis “does not prove conclusively that the observed rates of death involving Covid-19 are necessarily caused by differences in occupational exposure”.

They also said the findings could change as more deaths are registered. And while the findings were adjusted for age, they do not take other factors such as pre-existing health conditions or ethnicity into account

n a separate analysis also published today,the ONS created an estimate of potential exposure to coronavirus for UK occupations, based on figures from a United States study last year.

It stated that workers in the education sector have “lower exposure to disease than healthcare workers, but primary and nursery education teaching professionals, and special needs education professionals work in close proximity with pupils, and are more likely to be exposed to disease than secondary or higher education teaching professionals
The findings come as the government today set out its plans to reopen schools to more pupils from June 1, at the earliest.
New Department for Education guidance released this evening set out how ministers believe schools can reopen safely, including capping class sizes at 15 pupils. However the government admitted that primary pupils will be unable to observe social distancing measures.
The government’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, said at the daily coronavirus briefing today that teachers and parents are “understandably concerned about individual risk” of schools reopening, and that will be something “we’re consulting on with the profession”.
He added it was “very important” to have a “proper debate to make sure people understand that we can do many things to reduce the risk”.
Overall, the ONS statistics showed that men in low-skilled jobs were almost four times more likely to die from coronavirus than men in professional occupations

The first line was all that was needed - if there were a host of infections for the teaching profession who have been looking after the kids in school - the unions would be shouting from the top of the hills. The fact their not suggests to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the incidences has proved to be very low. This is a profession that regularly organises training days during term time and a profession who's union has stopped them doing lessons by zoom - what does that say - they are more interested in the teachers than the kids education.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:00 pm  

He obviously doesn’t watch the briefings because he was not aware of the fact that the second public question had to be read out. Is defence of Cummings did not go well at all and from his many none answers we can assume he went to Barnard Castle.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:02 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

What do you expect from the Boris cheerleader-in-chief? He'll be too busy revelling in the lies of the 5 o'clock trolling session to engage his brain in anything but drivel.

At least we know the direction of travel for the Boris government now. They can do what they want, and Boris will cover for them. We have to do what we're told, and face the consequences if we don't.

We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:08 pm  

The only problem with that is I haven’t made a mistake which has led to 30,000 deaths.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:09 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.

Nah, he just lays on his other arm until the pins and needles swap sides.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:14 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.

We really are through the looking glass.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:16 pm  

Willzay wrote:

The only problem with that is I haven’t made a mistake which has led to 30,000 deaths.

Are you saying Cummins is responsible for 30,000 deaths?

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:18 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

We really are through the looking glass.

Not at all - Cummins working for Labour and Milne working for the Tories - Labour would have won the election.

You move key people along and they strengthen your opposition - not a great strategic decision

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun May 24, 2020 5:51 pm  

I can’t believe you are defending the indefensible, he doesn’t even show any humility hence why Johnson likes him.