Re: MANDELA DEAD : Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:40 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

Reading World of Redboy's comments along with his colleague AJW, it really proves the point that the educational system in this country is failing.

I think that's a tad harsh; teachers, like radio, can't effectively transmit to someone who is not equipped to receive.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:09 am  

[quote="Leaguefan"]Reading World of Redboy's comments along with his colleague AJW, it really proves the point that the educational system in this country is failing.
/quote]

A tad harsh on this forums foremost pair of woodentops.
The education of pigmeat is a challenging subject.
They'd both blame it on Thatcher if only they were semi bright enough.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:24 pm  

Mintball wrote:

It was not an irrelevant question.

If you're going to condemn someone as a "terrorist" for fighting against a regime that shoots dead unarmed children, then you'd better have a clue as to how one would otherwise deal with a regime that is quite happy to shoot said unarmed schoolchildren – or be prepared to admit that you're the sort of individual who:

1) approves of the shooting of unarmed schoolchildren (as long as they're black, presumably);

2) doesn't think black children should have a rounded education because, after all, they're only going to be servants;

3) some combination of the above.

I know it's the pantomime season, but that sort of nonsense wouldn't last a week at the Alhambra. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific? Africa has a long history of gratuitous violence being visited on its citizens by whoever is the current dictator. Take your pick sweetheart, from the current ANC Police Unit which gunned down 44 unarmed black strikers in August 2012....kinda embarrassing from your point of view, eh? Revolutionary Black folks sending in their black police force to kill unarmed black miners simply trying to get a better wage and conditions....something Mandella and his buddies had promised them years ago, which is probably why it slipped your mind? And it was all of 16 months ago!

Howzabout Charles Taylor of Liberia?...Paul Biya of Cameroon?....Mugabe of Zimbabwea?.....Idi Amin of Uganda? Can you maybe work out the common denominator?

In the meantime, Good Luck on opening night. I hope you and Coddy have agreed who is the front and who is the rear this season.....

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:34 pm  

Rumples wrote:

I know it's the pantomime season, but that sort of nonsense wouldn't last a week at the Alhambra. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific? Africa has a long history of gratuitous violence being visited on its citizens by whoever is the current dictator. Take your pick sweetheart, from the current ANC Police Unit which gunned down 44 unarmed black strikers in August 2012....kinda embarrassing from your point of view, eh? Revolutionary Black folks sending in their black police force to kill unarmed black miners simply trying to get a better wage and conditions....something Mandella and his buddies had promised them years ago, which is probably why it slipped your mind? And it was all of 16 months ago!

Howzabout Charles Taylor of Liberia?...Paul Biya of Cameroon?....Mugabe of Zimbabwea?.....Idi Amin of Uganda? Can you maybe work out the common denominator?

In the meantime, Good Luck on opening night. I hope you and Coddy have agreed who is the front and who is the rear this season.....

Oh great, another dipstick reincarnates themselves.

This should be fun, however brief

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:43 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Oh great, another dipstick reincarnates themselves.

This should be fun, however brief

It'd help if he discarded his pointy hat mind.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:04 am  

cod'ead wrote:

Oh great, another dipstick reincarnates themselves.

This should be fun, however brief

Not too sure that a person who flogs tat out of the back of a van is really in any position to call someone a dipstick, so why not surprise us and maybe address some of the points raised?

Or will you be adopting your traditional response of waitng for La Mint to respond, before swinging in on her coat tails with the predictable and outmoded Socialist one liner.

If I was a betting man, I think a cheeky pound on the later would be a good investment!

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:23 am  

Rumples wrote:

Not too sure that a person who flogs tat out of the back of a van is really in any position to call someone a dipstick, so why not surprise us and maybe address some of the points raised?

Or will you be adopting your traditional response of waitng for La Mint to respond, before swinging in on her coat tails with the predictable and outmoded Socialist one liner.

If I was a betting man, I think a cheeky pound on the later would be a good investment!

If I was a betting woman, I'd suspect that someone who is so obviously not a new poster is a previously-banned poster who isn't going to last long in this new incarnation.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:50 pm  

Mintball wrote:

If I was a betting woman, I'd suspect that someone who is so obviously not a new poster is a previously-banned poster who isn't going to last long in this new incarnation.

Why is that what the mods do to those who challenge their viewpoint?

He raises an interesting point - the inhumanity of tribal conflict in Africa - Rwanda being possibly the most graphic. Nothing meated out by the whites in SA compared to the genocide inflicted on the Tutsis by the Hutus - then I suppose it was all the fault of colonial forefathers!!

Perhaps raising this means I must be a member of the KKK!!

Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare the behaviour of Martin Luther King and Mandela faced with a similar situation.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:05 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Why is that what the mods do to those who challenge their viewpoint?

It isn't. As you would know if you bothered to exercise your own brain.

Sal Paradise wrote:

He raises an interesting point - the inhumanity of tribal conflict in Africa - Rwanda being possibly the most graphic. Nothing meated out by the whites in SA compared to the genocide inflicted on the Tutsis by the Hutus - then I suppose it was all the fault of colonial forefathers!!

Other genocides and examples of general, all-round nastiness do not excuse the Afrikaaners, although they look like an attempt to deflect.

Why not compare with China under Mao, the insanity of North Korea, dictatorships in Burma and so forth?

If one wants to brand a continent (and thereby, the peoples of a continent) what about South America, with all the dictatorships it has seen over the decades, and all the murders and the 'disappearances'? Do those suggest that those swarthy Latins are somehow inherently predisposed toward undemocratic, violent regimes?

One could ask the same about Europe – hardly a continent with a peaceful history or one with wars that have always been conducted as though by some sort of gentleman's agreement.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Perhaps raising this means I must be a member of the KKK!!

Only if you're paranoid.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare the behaviour of Martin Luther King and Mandela faced with a similar situation.

I have made no comparisons: I have merely asked what those condemning Mandela as a terrorist would have done when faced with a regime that shot unarmed children who were demanding only a proper education. Nobody has answered yet – you're most welcome to try.

Re: MANDELA DEAD : Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:55 pm  

Mintball wrote:

It isn't. As you would know if you bothered to exercise your own brain.

Other genocides and examples of general, all-round nastiness do not excuse the Afrikaaners, although they look like an attempt to deflect.

Why not compare with China under Mao, the insanity of North Korea, dictatorships in Burma and so forth?

If one wants to brand a continent (and thereby, the peoples of a continent) what about South America, with all the dictatorships it has seen over the decades, and all the murders and the 'disappearances'? Do those suggest that those swarthy Latins are somehow inherently predisposed toward undemocratic, violent regimes?

One could ask the same about Europe – hardly a continent with a peaceful history or one with wars that have always been conducted as though by some sort of gentleman's agreement.

Only if you're paranoid.

I have made no comparisons: I have merely asked what those condemning Mandela as a terrorist would have done when faced with a regime that shot unarmed children who were demanding only a proper education. Nobody has answered yet – you're most welcome to try.

I am quite capable of exercising my brain - thankfully it doesn't need to be fully extended to debate with you.

You were the one who suggested that Mandela's actions were justified considering the conditions the blacks in South Africa were subjected too.

Reaction to isolated incidents can be dealt with in a number of ways. Can shooting innocent children be justified - never - it is how you react that confers status. Luther King's methods were less violent and far more effective than anything Mandela and the ANC extracted for random murder. Conditions/provocation in the deep southern states such as Alabama were equally as bad as in SA. People like Gov. Wallace were every bit as evil Vorster et al.

Mandela was a terrorist and that should not be ignored in all the hero worship. He eventually effected great change - the question remains is the country a better place for the struggle?