Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:25 am  

tigertot wrote:

Ergo it is typical right wing white middle aged male attitude that has permitted the likes of Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter, as well as the church to get away with years of abuse.

You're probably correct, although I'm not sure where right-wing comes into it - I doubt many Catholic priests are right-wing and the arts/music/TV industries are overwhelmingly left-wing. More likely a combination of fear of reprisal, denial and in the case of the church, a feeling of being untouchable.

What's interesting is you can happily talk about the part 'white middle-aged' men may have played in the cases of abuse you've mentioned, but can you dare acknowledge the specific cultural issue of gangs of Asian men grooming and sexually abusing underage white English girls? Go on, you know you want to. Or are you sticking your head in the sand like the rest?

Again - this is PRECISELY the attitude that prolonged the (known) abuse for many years and ignored the girls' pleas for help: an ingrained fear of being accused of racism, whilst being happy to condemn the girls as white trash not worthy putting in front of a jury. Stick your head in the sand and it'll all go away. This foolish left-wing attitude is part of the problem.

(lalala fingers in ears mustn't mention race lalala)

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:28 am  

Cronus wrote:

Oh please.

No-one has ever denied child abuse exists in many walks of life, but to stick your fingers in your ears wailing 'la la la' and pretending there ISN'T a specific cultural issue with gangs of Asian males targeting and grooming young white English girls is either naivety or stupidity of the highest order. In reality I suspect a brainwashed and blinkered leftist brain simply can't acknowledge or comprehend the unpleasant truth.

It's a typical leftist denial/apologist response - ironically PRECISELY the sort of attitude that led to so many of those girls' cries for help being ignored for so long, and part of the reason so many in this country are fed up to the back teeth with being told how flaming wonderful multiculturalism and mass immigration is.

No it is acknowledged that there is a specific issue with these grooming gangs, and steps have been taken to address this problem and root out the offenders. There was a fear of offence in the mid 2000's which was an issue and again, has been addressed. All frontline staff are now specifically trained to spot signs, report and engage young people at risk of this kind of abuse.

The right wing knee-jerk reaction to start pretending its a significant proportion of muslims who are responsible for this kind of behaviour and terrorist incidents. This in turn leads to idiots committing hate crime and further fuelling the flames of division, which suits the Islamists cause. Integration is a 2 way street.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:35 am  

Cronus wrote:

What's interesting is you can happily talk about the part 'white middle-aged' men may have played in the cases of abuse you've mentioned, but can you dare acknowledge the specific cultural issue of gangs of Asian men grooming and sexually abusing underage white English girls? Go on, you know you want to. Or are you sticking your head in the sand like the rest?

I lived in the centre of Bradford from 1992-2000 & worked there for 16 years so am very familiar with the different cultures. I was never aware of any grooming or abuse of white girls during that period. But I did witness numerous instances of unacceptable physical & emotional abuse from Asian men to Asian women. Extreme patriarchy & sexism. I grew up in a white only mining village where I saw the same behaviours exhibited there, usually more violent as it was often fueled by alcohol.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:05 am  

tigertot wrote:

I lived in the centre of Bradford from 1992-2000 & worked there for 16 years so am very familiar with the different cultures. I was never aware of any grooming or abuse of white girls during that period. But I did witness numerous instances of unacceptable physical & emotional abuse from Asian men to Asian women. Extreme patriarchy & sexism. I grew up in a white only mining village where I saw the same behaviours exhibited there, usually more violent as it was often fueled by alcohol.

Nope, you can't admit it. Instead you (bizarrely) conflate it with domestic abuse.

You're doing a grand job of proving my point.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:06 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

No it is acknowledged that there is a specific issue with these grooming gangs, and steps have been taken to address this problem and root out the offenders. There was a fear of offence in the mid 2000's which was an issue and again, has been addressed. All frontline staff are now specifically trained to spot signs, report and engage young people at risk of this kind of abuse.

The right wing knee-jerk reaction to start pretending its a significant proportion of muslims who are responsible for this kind of behaviour and terrorist incidents. This in turn leads to idiots committing hate crime and further fuelling the flames of division, which suits the Islamists cause. Integration is a 2 way street.

Give over. No-one has said it's a significant proportion of Muslims. Don't make things up to suit your agenda.

There has been welcome progress, of course, but the sort of denial/apologist/straw man rhetoric we see on these boards is typical of the left and precisely how the specific cultural issue of the abuse of under-age white girls by gangs of Asian men was allowed to persist unchecked for so many years.

And as far as I'm concerned, anyone peddling such rhetoric carries part of the blame for such a culture being allowed to exist and flourish, and skew the decision-making process within the Police/CPS/Social Services in Rochdale, Rotherham, Keighley, Blackpool, Oldham, Blackburn, Sheffield, Manchester, Skipton, Nelson, Preston, Derby, Telford, Bradford, Ipswich, Birmingham, Oxford, Barking and Peterborough - and in court only a few weeks ago, Huddersfield.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:14 am  

Cronus wrote:

Give over. No-one has said it's a significant proportion of Muslims. Don't make things up to suit your agenda.

There has been welcome progress, of course, but the sort of denial/apologist/straw man rhetoric we see on these boards is typical of the left and precisely how the specific cultural issue of the abuse of under-age white girls by gangs of Asian men was allowed to persist unchecked for so many years.

And as far as I'm concerned, anyone peddling such rhetoric carries part of the blame for such a culture being allowed to exist and flourish, and skew the decision-making process within the Police/CPS/Social Services in Rochdale, Rotherham, Keighley, Blackpool, Oldham, Blackburn, Sheffield, Manchester, Skipton, Nelson, Preston, Derby, Telford, Bradford, Ipswich, Birmingham, Oxford, Barking and Peterborough - and in court only a few weeks ago, Huddersfield.

There is not just a problem in Asian communities. There is a problem in society and to only point out the issues within a certain community is what others on here are highlighting as wrong.

No one is saying these communities don't have issues, but to single them out when the same issues have been going on for years in all communities and walks of life shows bigotry.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:46 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Give over. No-one has said it's a significant proportion of Muslims. Don't make things up to suit your agenda.

There has been welcome progress, of course, but the sort of denial/apologist/straw man rhetoric we see on these boards is typical of the left and precisely how the specific cultural issue of the abuse of under-age white girls by gangs of Asian men was allowed to persist unchecked for so many years.

And as far as I'm concerned, anyone peddling such rhetoric carries part of the blame for such a culture being allowed to exist and flourish, and skew the decision-making process within the Police/CPS/Social Services in Rochdale, Rotherham, Keighley, Blackpool, Oldham, Blackburn, Sheffield, Manchester, Skipton, Nelson, Preston, Derby, Telford, Bradford, Ipswich, Birmingham, Oxford, Barking and Peterborough - and in court only a few weeks ago, Huddersfield.

So what's your solution to a problem that is already identified and being dealt with? No one is denying it happens but you can see where accusations of racism come from when you only bang on about child abusers of a certain ethnic background.

Sadly child abuse is not rare in our society. The fear of being labelled racist was wrong and we had got into a bad culture there but that particular issue is long gone.

All the left say is target the bad guys, but do not denigrate all immigrants who generally make a positive contribution to this country in many ways.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:58 pm  

[quote="Cronus"]Oh please.

No-one has ever denied child abuse exists in many walks of life, but to stick your fingers in your ears wailing 'la la la' and pretending there ISN'T a specific cultural issue with gangs of Asian males targeting and grooming young white English girls is either naivety or stupidity of the highest order. In reality I suspect a brainwashed and blinkered leftist brain simply can't acknowledge or comprehend the unpleasant truth.

It's a typical leftist denial/apologist response - ironically PRECISELY the sort of attitude that led to so many of those girls' cries for help being ignored for so long, and part of the reason so many in this country are fed up to the back teeth with being told how flaming wonderful multiculturalism and mass immigration is.[/

Oh please, please.
I posted a flippant remark, which may have been slightly inappropriate and you jump straight on your high horse, lecturing folk, like you are the only person with knowledge or credence.
Do you really think that "we" are ignoring some the presence of these grooming gangs.

However, the aspect that you choose to ignore is the fact that there are similar gangs from other ethnicities, including "English".

You may be sick of "lefties" but, equally, I'm sick of racists and right wing apologists looking for an easy scapegoat.

NOBODY is in denial but, if it makes you feel better to moralise and label people that try to have some balance in their arguments as "snowflakes", again, to try and belittle people, please carry on.

It appears that the people most to blame for allowing this disgusting situation to carry on as long as it has are the middle aged, white, council leaders and yes, you may be right that they didn't want to be accused of racism but, dont tar me with that brush.


Arrogance is no measure of credibility.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:09 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Nope, you can't admit it. Instead you (bizarrely) conflate it with domestic abuse.

You're doing a grand job of proving my point.

What the hell do you want me to say? It is a fact that groups of Asian men have groomed white girls. How can anyone argue with facts? I never experienced it or know of anyone personally who did. According to the Daily Mail Asian men are also grooming Asian girls. Typical of you UKIPers not to mention it.

Re: Is nowhere safe? Manchester : Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:26 pm  

Oh look the usual suspects waving their racism cards.

Let's get a few things straight. Sal mentioned Rotherham (in the context of integration) and wrencat immediately jumps on it crying about an 'anti-muslim/immigration story'. Others follow suit. There it is straight away - no acceptance that a specific cultural issue exists - instead turning on the person who mentioned it. Curiously, pretty much what happened to those who first attempted to report the issue of Asian grooming gangs.

Fact is, you're all eager as hell to jump all over the issue of Catholic/pop star child abuse - why don't we see the same enthusiasm where the predominantly Pakistani grooming gangs are concerned? I think we all know the answer.

For the hard of reading, I've already acknowledged child abuse exists elsewhere. I've even talked about it - the feeling of untouchability within the church, for example. I haven't ignored anything, but we were talking about the specific issue of Asian grooming gangs - something with particular roots, particular causes and a particular cultural background. And like it or not, the skin colour of the victims was a big factor to the abusers. Uncomfortable facts certain people can't accept.

Yes, 'we' are well aware of it now and things have improved, but that doesn't do much for the thousands of girls (and boys) who suffered for years thanks to a culture of overriding political correctness and fear of 'racial tension'. The culture that - rather than put the abuse to an end and help those kids - preferred to tip-toe around the issue of race and religion. That disgusts me. I couldn't care less what race or religion the abusers were, but it became a huge issue thanks to the Police/CPS/Social Services deciding it was more important than stopping sexual abuse of children on a massive scale.

'But...but...but Catholics/pop stars/others were at it too'...just doesn't wash, not matter how many times it's repeated. Wring those hands any more and your fingers will blister.