Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:16 am  

I have the basic sky sports subscription specifically for super league. Obviously that’s the only reason I use this service. So now I am paying for a service I am not receiving. Not certain if I should suspend payments.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:54 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

I have the basic sky sports subscription specifically for super league. Obviously that’s the only reason I use this service. So now I am paying for a service I am not receiving. Not certain if I should suspend payments.

Yes you can - they have sent a circular out saying you can suspend payment for Sky sports

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:28 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Yes you can - they have sent a circular out saying you can suspend payment for Sky sports

Thanks for the heads up. As I have logged previously when this is all over the business world will be decimated. Picking itself up will be a major challenge. Since my previous missive about the drop of turnover of someone I know. Since then i know of 1 bar and 1 restaurant closed down indefinitely. Obviously when these places close there is a knock on effect with suppliers to these establishments.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:51 pm  

Observations from the last few days. Anyone stockpiling or profiteering should be shot on sight. People are starting to understand. Slowly. There are still too many idiots out there thinking it doesn't apply to them. The government is doing a sterling job. This week's measures will save millions of jobs and businesses. The damage is still going to devastating but these levels of support are reassuring. Many thousands in my sector have been laid off already, these measures could save most of them as they can be applied retrospectively even if already laid off. The Guardian is most despicable, divisive, fear-mongering feckin pathetic rag. Makes the Mail looks positively saintly. 12 weeks (or more) at home is gonna be a bstard. But not as much of a bstard as frontline NHS workers are about to face. Calm before the perfect storm. Is the government's strategy correct? My question in response to that would be - so Taiwan (and other places) have shut down and contained things really, really well - but what then happens as soon as they relax and the population floods back out there and flights recommence and some bugger jets in breathing COVID19 all over the place? They're back to square one, whether in May/June/July or end of the year and a vaccine before then is unlikely. We are timing things carefully. Shut down too early and it's pointless. People cannot and will not isolate for more than a couple of months, and the population is still susceptible. Shut down too late and...it's too late. Isolate the vulnerable early and then shut down at the right time and you will already have people recovering and therefore immune and able to get back to work. The virus then also spreads far more slowly enabling the NHS to manage as best it can. You cannot contain or escape this virus, you have to accept that and manage the outcome as best you can. They've denied herd immunity is part of the strategy but it was let slip and to be fair it makes sense. The problem is that means exposing some people who will die, and society cannot handle that. Some people - quite a lot - are going to die whatever happens. I'm not sure why that was such a shock when Boris said it. This is a great demonstration of how it works (albeit the models don't eliminate the deaths): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/

Observations from the last few days. Anyone stockpiling or profiteering should be shot on sight. People are starting to understand. Slowly. There are still too many idiots out there thinking it doesn't apply to them. The government is doing a sterling job. This week's measures will save millions of jobs and businesses. The damage is still going to devastating but these levels of support are reassuring. Many thousands in my sector have been laid off already, these measures could save most of them as they can be applied retrospectively even if already laid off. The Guardian is most despicable, divisive, fear-mongering feckin pathetic rag. Makes the Mail looks positively saintly. 12 weeks (or more) at home is gonna be a bstard. But not as much of a bstard as frontline NHS workers are about to face. Calm before the perfect storm. Is the government's strategy correct? My question in response to that would be - so Taiwan (and other places) have shut down and contained things really, really well - but what then happens as soon as they relax and the population floods back out there and flights recommence and some bugger jets in breathing COVID19 all over the place? They're back to square one, whether in May/June/July or end of the year and a vaccine before then is unlikely. We are timing things carefully. Shut down too early and it's pointless. People cannot and will not isolate for more than a couple of months, and the population is still susceptible. Shut down too late and...it's too late. Isolate the vulnerable early and then shut down at the right time and you will already have people recovering and therefore immune and able to get back to work. The virus then also spreads far more slowly enabling the NHS to manage as best it can. You cannot contain or escape this virus, you have to accept that and manage the outcome as best you can. They've denied herd immunity is part of the strategy but it was let slip and to be fair it makes sense. The problem is that means exposing some people who will die, and society cannot handle that. Some people - quite a lot - are going to die whatever happens. I'm not sure why that was such a shock when Boris said it. This is a great demonstration of how it works (albeit the models don't eliminate the deaths): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:32 am  

Good post Cronus. I think this crisis is a good way of shining a light on peoples' character. You very quickly see who thinks "me me me" and who has a sense of duty/community. Amongst the people I know/ my facebook feed etc the correlation I have noticed is that the ones who are usually the loudest to bang on about "patriotism" and "we should put British people first", are the ones who are now least willing to make any compromise in their lives that might help protect vulnerable or elderly people in their community. You have summed up the basic trade-off well and basically that argument is what underpinned the Imperial college modelling that is now driving the government's strategy: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... 3-2020.pdf One interesting challenge will be, if the social distancing measures are TOO successful, it will undermine support for the measures themselves. What about if it all works, and the death count slows to a trickle. Everyone will start saying "come on, its just like the flu whats all the fuss about, let us get back to work".

Good post Cronus. I think this crisis is a good way of shining a light on peoples' character. You very quickly see who thinks "me me me" and who has a sense of duty/community. Amongst the people I know/ my facebook feed etc the correlation I have noticed is that the ones who are usually the loudest to bang on about "patriotism" and "we should put British people first", are the ones who are now least willing to make any compromise in their lives that might help protect vulnerable or elderly people in their community. You have summed up the basic trade-off well and basically that argument is what underpinned the Imperial college modelling that is now driving the government's strategy: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... 3-2020.pdf One interesting challenge will be, if the social distancing measures are TOO successful, it will undermine support for the measures themselves. What about if it all works, and the death count slows to a trickle. Everyone will start saying "come on, its just like the flu whats all the fuss about, let us get back to work".

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:57 am  

like has been said, overegged numbers

like has been said, overegged numbers

[Durham Giant]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:10 am  

Cronus wrote:

Observations from the last few days.


The government is doing a sterling job. This week's measures will save millions of jobs and businesses.

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Government playing a blinder not according to this doctor and many others.

Lisa Anderson, a consultant cardiologist at St George’s Hospital in London, echoed Hunt’s concerns. She said the Government had changed the rules so they where no longer compliant with World Health Organisation recommendations, which required medics to wear a full gown and visor.

She said that since Monday, staff in the NHS only had to wear a simple face mask, short gloves and a pinafore apron. “This is not just about the risk to ourselves and our families. We are travelling home on the Tube, on buses,” she told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

The decimation of the public sector over the last 10 years. The complete cock up at the beginning by the government in not announcing proper measures saying we know better than every country in the world we will slow it to build up herd immunity . A model that was developed initially was based on normal flu not covid and the numbers who need ICU.


Boris cocked it up big time and now Doctors and frontline NHS staff are paying the price.

My ex wife is a doctor working with the elderly they have no Gel left to disinfect their. Hands.

My sister is a practice nurse and they have no masks .

But you keep promoting your Tory poop and blame engine who criticises the government as a fifth columnist.

Nothing I would not expect from you. You won’t be happy until government critics are rounded up and charged with treason.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:46 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

:D Government playing a blinder not according to this doctor and many others.

Lisa Anderson, a consultant cardiologist at St George’s Hospital in London, echoed Hunt’s concerns. She said the Government had changed the rules so they where no longer compliant with World Health Organisation recommendations, which required medics to wear a full gown and visor.

She said that since Monday, staff in the NHS only had to wear a simple face mask, short gloves and a pinafore apron. “This is not just about the risk to ourselves and our families. We are travelling home on the Tube, on buses,” she told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

The decimation of the public sector over the last 10 years. The complete cock up at the beginning by the government in not announcing proper measures saying we know better than every country in the world we will slow it to build up herd immunity . A model that was developed initially was based on normal flu not covid and the numbers who need ICU.


Boris cocked it up big time and now Doctors and frontline NHS staff are paying the price.

My ex wife is a doctor working with the elderly they have no Gel left to disinfect their. Hands.

My sister is a practice nurse and they have no masks

But you keep promoting your Tory poop and blame engine who criticises the government as a fifth columnist.

Nothing I would not expect from you. You won’t be happy until government critics are rounded up and charged with treason.

Tbf, in general terms Cronus' post was ok.
However, it's bloody criminal that NHS staff dont have the basics, in terms of masks, gloves etc

I know that we are dealing with a crisis here but, if my business was asbestos removal and I told the workers "it's ok, we've run out of gloves and overalls but, crack on anyway, I would, quite rightly be imprisoned and yet, we are asking NHS workers to do just this - go into work without basic and essential protective equipment.

On this issue, party politics has to go and a collective effort to get the right outcome for as many people as possible should be the only concern for all of us - there are some real selfish b'stards around and things like this certainly expose them.

Most of them are easily identifiable as they carry a copy of the daily mail editorial with them at all times

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:24 am  

Cronus wrote: Observations from the last few days. Anyone stockpiling or profiteering should be shot on sight. People are starting to understand. Slowly. There are still too many idiots out there thinking it doesn't apply to them. The government is doing a sterling job. This week's measures will save millions of jobs and businesses. The damage is still going to devastating but these levels of support are reassuring. Many thousands in my sector have been laid off already, these measures could save most of them as they can be applied retrospectively even if already laid off. The Guardian is most despicable, divisive, fear-mongering feckin pathetic rag. Makes the Mail looks positively saintly. 12 weeks (or more) at home is gonna be a bstard. But not as much of a bstard as frontline NHS workers are about to face. Calm before the perfect storm. Is the government's strategy correct? My question in response to that would be - so Taiwan (and other places) have shut down and contained things really, really well - but what then happens as soon as they relax and the population floods back out there and flights recommence and some bugger jets in breathing COVID19 all over the place? They're back to square one, whether in May/June/July or end of the year and a vaccine before then is unlikely. We are timing things carefully. Shut down too early and it's pointless. People cannot and will not isolate for more than a couple of months, and the population is still susceptible. Shut down too late and...it's too late. Isolate the vulnerable early and then shut down at the right time and you will already have people recovering and therefore immune and able to get back to work. The virus then also spreads far more slowly enabling the NHS to manage as best it can. You cannot contain or escape this virus, you have to accept that and manage the outcome as best you can. They've denied herd immunity is part of the strategy but it was let slip and to be fair it makes sense. The problem is that means exposing some people who will die, and society cannot handle that. Some people - quite a lot - are going to die whatever happens. I'm not sure why that was such a shock when Boris said it. This is a great demonstration of how it works (albeit the models don't eliminate the deaths): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/ Fair enough except, nothing whatsoever could make the Mail saintly. I'm surprised but not too surprised that Boris has adopted a sort of socialistic response in a Joe Gormley socialist way, to the crisis. The swivel eyed right wingers who think they are firmly in charge must be squirming in their seats at some of the measures being implemented. I'd say so far, well done and thank God Maggie isn't in charge.

Cronus wrote: Observations from the last few days. Anyone stockpiling or profiteering should be shot on sight. People are starting to understand. Slowly. There are still too many idiots out there thinking it doesn't apply to them. The government is doing a sterling job. This week's measures will save millions of jobs and businesses. The damage is still going to devastating but these levels of support are reassuring. Many thousands in my sector have been laid off already, these measures could save most of them as they can be applied retrospectively even if already laid off. The Guardian is most despicable, divisive, fear-mongering feckin pathetic rag. Makes the Mail looks positively saintly. 12 weeks (or more) at home is gonna be a bstard. But not as much of a bstard as frontline NHS workers are about to face. Calm before the perfect storm. Is the government's strategy correct? My question in response to that would be - so Taiwan (and other places) have shut down and contained things really, really well - but what then happens as soon as they relax and the population floods back out there and flights recommence and some bugger jets in breathing COVID19 all over the place? They're back to square one, whether in May/June/July or end of the year and a vaccine before then is unlikely. We are timing things carefully. Shut down too early and it's pointless. People cannot and will not isolate for more than a couple of months, and the population is still susceptible. Shut down too late and...it's too late. Isolate the vulnerable early and then shut down at the right time and you will already have people recovering and therefore immune and able to get back to work. The virus then also spreads far more slowly enabling the NHS to manage as best it can. You cannot contain or escape this virus, you have to accept that and manage the outcome as best you can. They've denied herd immunity is part of the strategy but it was let slip and to be fair it makes sense. The problem is that means exposing some people who will die, and society cannot handle that. Some people - quite a lot - are going to die whatever happens. I'm not sure why that was such a shock when Boris said it. This is a great demonstration of how it works (albeit the models don't eliminate the deaths): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... simulator/ Fair enough except, nothing whatsoever could make the Mail saintly. I'm surprised but not too surprised that Boris has adopted a sort of socialistic response in a Joe Gormley socialist way, to the crisis. The swivel eyed right wingers who think they are firmly in charge must be squirming in their seats at some of the measures being implemented. I'd say so far, well done and thank God Maggie isn't in charge.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:09 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

The swivel eyed right wingers who think they are firmly in charge must be squirming in their seats at some of the measures being implemented.

It has created a dilemma for the right-wing press who wants to be pro-Boris.

They have spent years trying to make out that the biggest threat to the UK, was Jeremy Corbyn turning the country in to some kind of Venezuela, with food shortages, mass job losses, most of the country on the government payroll and draconian state controls with people not even allowed to go out and have a pint.

Now that world has happened, because of Boris.

The virus is not Boris' fault of course, and even the legitimate criticisms about why the NHS has been stripped down to the bone and left inadequately prepared for this should be focused on the Cameron/Osborne administration not Boris. Even a well-funded NHS would have been overwhelmed by this though.

But most of the economic decisions were made by Boris (correctly) and the right-wing press will hate this as if this was a Labour government doing it they would be taking the line that this was "just a bit of flu" and all an overreaction.