Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:04 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

I'd go with that scenario, followed by endless air miles & more meaningful votes until May's crappy deal (which nobody really wants) scrapes through, with the M.P.'s holidays looming. Followed by the next day, May gimping up to the podium in front of Number 10 with that smug grin, to announce her work is now done & exits the stage ala Cameron.

Boom

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:05 am  

POSTL wrote:

Boom

Indeed, then BJ will get the gig and try and rip the whole deal up.

Meanwhile, Corbyn will be at a refugee camp in Syria recruiting.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:55 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

You can't be serious, both sides lied.

See my previous posts about comparing a rubber dinghy to an oil-tanker.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:48 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

See my previous posts about comparing a rubber dinghy to an oil-tanker.

Remember George Osbourne threatening to hold an emergency budget straight after the referendum if we voted to leave, where he would have to further and drastically cut spending and increase taxes. Thats one of you rubber dinghies is assume.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:56 am  

POSTL wrote:

Remember George Osbourne threatening to hold an emergency budget straight after the referendum if we voted to leave, where he would have to further and drastically cut spending and increase taxes. Thats one of you rubber dinghies is assume.

If you think the volume of deceit spouted by quitlings is REMOTELY equivalent to the things remainers have said inaccurately, then I have nothing at all left to say. It's futile.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:18 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

If you think the volume of deceit spouted by quitlings is REMOTELY equivalent to the things remainers have said inaccurately, then I have nothing at all left to say. It's futile.

I think its better if you don't, I chose to ignore it when you posted it originally. At the time he hadn't quit, believe me mate it was a real threat.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:52 am  

So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:07 am  

bren2k wrote:

So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?

Can I just correct you on one point please, it was no prediction, he was going to do have to do it if we voted to leave, I'm not saying some people think that Osbourne's threat was equivalent, I'M saying for me working for the NHS with all the cuts previously it was worse.

With regards to the Leave EU being found guilty by the Electoral Commission on their spending they should quite rightly be fined, With regards to the other allegations I'm not going to comment at the moment because they are just that allegations.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:30 am  

bren2k wrote:

So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?

To be strictly accurate, a Leave campaign rather than the Leave campaign. Vote.EU, rather than the Vote Leave campaign.

So, do we think the further reassurances will be enough? A lot of minds have to be changed, but while it’d be hard to say the EU have blinked, they’ve maybe uncrossed their arms and turned their palms outwards. I think the ERG could vote for it without losing face, but it’ll really come down to whether they ever really wanted to.

Edit - looks like the AG’s advice might have rained on the parade. Surprised by that, I thought she’d get him onside.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:41 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

To be strictly accurate, a Leave campaign rather than the Leave campaign. Vote.EU, rather than the Vote Leave campaign.

So, do we think the further reassurances will be enough? A lot of minds have to be changed, but while it’d be hard to say the EU have blinked, they’ve maybe uncrossed their arms and turned their palms outwards. I think the ERG could vote for it without losing face, but it’ll really come down to whether they ever really wanted to.

Edit - looks like the AG’s advice might have rained on the parade. Surprised by that, I thought she’d get him onside.

If the objection these people had before were about legally binding amendments, I can't see how 'reassurances' could change that stance; who would sign a contract containing clauses they fundamentally disagreed with, if the other party gave 'reassurances' that they'd never be enacted?

The whole thing is a fudge - Mrs May has been characteristically single minded from the outset, and her stupid red lines have alienated pretty much everyone, such that she suffered the biggest defeat in parliamentary history, on a flagship piece of government business. I predict a delay to Article 50, followed by further attempts to polish the same old turd, then a resignation.