[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:03 pm  

So the DUP haven't formally rejected the new assurances as I write this but appear to have privately revealed that they do not see how the party can support the deal following Cox legal advice. No senior ERG comments yet but Andrew Bridgen of the ERG has stated that he believes nothing has changed. Given that ERG and other quitlings were waiting for DUP opinion, then can we can say with some certainty that the deal will be defeated tonight? That being the case, you'd have to assume that tomorrow we will see a no deal brexit also defeated.

Thereafter it becomes more uncertain but you'd think we have to immediately seek an extension to Article 50. Who knows to what end.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:31 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

So the DUP haven't formally rejected the new assurances as I write this but appear to have privately revealed that they do not see how the party can support the deal following Cox legal advice. No senior ERG comments yet but Andrew Bridgen of the ERG has stated that he believes nothing has changed. Given that ERG and other quitlings were waiting for DUP opinion, then can we can say with some certainty that the deal will be defeated tonight? That being the case, you'd have to assume that tomorrow we will see a no deal brexit also defeated.

Thereafter it becomes more uncertain but you'd think we have to immediately seek an extension to Article 50. Who knows to what end.

Deal rejected tonight
No Deal Rejected tomorrow
Article 50 extension requested
EU names it's price
Second Referendum
People Vote to Remain

May is happy, and quits.


Noel Edmonds becomes Prime Minister a he's the only person who can manage Deal or No Deal

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:38 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Deal rejected tonight
No Deal Rejected tomorrow
Article 50 extension requested
EU names it's price
Second Referendum
People Vote to Remain

May is happy, and quits.


Noel Edmonds becomes Prime Minister a he's the only person who can manage Deal or No Deal

Well that's not the response I was expecting I'll give you that.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:45 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Well that's not the response I was expecting I'll give you that.

What, the Noel Edmonds bit?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:47 pm  

I loved the quote from one of the guests on 5 live this morning, likening EU membership to "Hotel California" where, "you can check out but never leave". Referring to the UK still having to adhere to most of the laws and regulations of the EU, even if we are "OUT", it made me chuckle.
Cant remember the guys name other than he was one of Thatcher's negotiators and his most interesting comment was a swipe at Mrs May, when he said that Thatcher would not have triggered article 50 until she was certain of what she wanted and equally certain of what could be achieved, something that Mrs May has failed on both counts.
Also, he wasn't over complimentary of our negotiators, which becomes more of a worry if we ever move on and start talking about the future trade deal, not only with the EU but, to the wider world. Something that we have been constantly reminded, by Brexitiers, will be the making (saving) of The UK.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:05 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I loved the quote from one of the guests on 5 live this morning, likening EU membership to "Hotel California" where, "you can check out but never leave". Referring to the UK still having to adhere to most of the laws and regulations of the EU, even if we are "OUT", it made me chuckle.
Cant remember the guys name other than he was one of Thatcher's negotiators and his most interesting comment was a swipe at Mrs May, when he said that Thatcher would not have triggered article 50 until she was certain of what she wanted and equally certain of what could be achieved, something that Mrs May has failed on both counts.
Also, he wasn't over complimentary of our negotiators, which becomes more of a worry if we ever move on and start talking about the future trade deal, not only with the EU but, to the wider world. Something that we have been constantly reminded, by Brexitiers, will be the making (saving) of The UK.

Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:10 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.

Perhaps - there’s not been a reet lot of glory to go around.

But let’s not pretend that means they’re all as bad as each other.

At the time of the referendum, my local MP was Ed Vaizey. Having moved, it is now Andrew Bridgen. One lost and responded in a pragmatic and reasonable way, and the other won and has been like a pig in poop - with predictable consequences.

The politicians who most enthusiastically advocated leave have tended to be those least willing to face up to the consequences of their triumph and behave responsibly. They’re a bunch of losers who literally don’t know what to do with victory.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:05 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Perhaps - there’s not been a reet lot of glory to go around.

But let’s not pretend that means they’re all as bad as each other.

At the time of the referendum, my local MP was Ed Vaizey. Having moved, it is now Andrew Bridgen. One lost and responded in a pragmatic and reasonable way, and the other won and has been like a pig in poop - with predictable consequences.

The politicians who most enthusiastically advocated leave have tended to be those least willing to face up to the consequences of their triumph and behave responsibly. They’re a bunch of losers who literally don’t know what to do with victory.

You are letting your political bias cloud your judgement sir.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:24 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

You are letting your political bias cloud your judgement sir.

Inevitably. However, that is my judgement.

It’s one thing to mould reality to win an argument, but quite another to proceed on that basis having won. I’m not appalled by the lies, i’m appalled by the stubborn naïvety, and the shock that the world won’t do as it is told - even when the instructions are spoken loudly and clearly in the Queen’s own English.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:03 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.

The only M.P.'s who could stop May's deal are the Tories & the Puppet Masters from across the Irish Sea.

It appears J.R.M. is planning to get his "no-deal" scenario in through the back door, whatever peoples view of him are, he knows is stuff & is adamant that any vote to take "no-deal" off the table requires a change in statute, not just a flimsy vote in the commons.

What a sorry state of affairs that he has become one of the poster boys for the hard Brexit brigade!