Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:35 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

A loss of one hundred & forty nine.

Resign now!

She can't, Liz will be watching American Pickers.

And who replaces her?

We are headed for a G.E, and the misery of a Labour Government I am afraid.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:46 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

She can't, Liz will be watching American Pickers.

And who replaces her?

We are headed for a G.E, and the misery of a Labour Government I am afraid.

Labour are 8 points behind in the polls - even with this shambles of a PM - unreal

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:17 pm  

I think it matters little which party is in power, the general public ensure the country operates inspite of them. The only difference will be their own ideologies having this niche effects. A Labour government would be no more miserable then what have now. I have lived with both Labour and Tory tenures in my life and noticed little change between the two.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:20 pm  

Just also seen May level some lip turn sleight on the House for rejecting her crappy deal, effectively saying because of their decision, the country is heading into disarray. Perhaps had she not run down the clock and looked to consult right at the very start of the process, she might have just found some middle ground.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:28 pm  

I think the political correspondent Rob Watson summed it up nicely -

"Theresa May is in a profound crisis,the country is in a profound crisis, her governing Conservative Party is massively disfunctionally divided, Parliament is divided, the country is divided, business is despairing & we still don't know how Brexit ends, but apart from that everything's fine"

Anyhow, my question's this -

If Britain revoked Article Fifty, how long would they have to wait to invoke it once again?

Anyone?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:07 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

I think the political correspondent Rob Watson summed it up nicely -

"Theresa May is in a profound crisis,the country is in a profound crisis, her governing Conservative Party is massively disfunctionally divided, Parliament is divided, the country is divided, business is despairing & we still don't know how Brexit ends, but apart from that everything's fine"

Anyhow, my question's this -

If Britain revoked Article Fifty, how long would they have to wait to invoke it once again?

Anyone?

IF we revoked article 50, and I don't know why I say "we", because what the majority of "we" wanted has been largely ignored, "we" would be stuck in Europe forever. (Which "I" would be quite happy about, but goes against what "we" voted for)

993 days of farce!

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:19 am  

so, under WTO rules, cars from Europe go up £1500, beef goes up 52% etc etc etc, the leave campaign never told us any of this!

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am  

The problem is the referendum split the country but not along party lines. That means parties are going to struggle to sort it out as they’re always reluctant to meet in the middle to do a deal. Meeting in the middle is going to annoy people on both sides of the argument so much that the politicians are paralysed since they’re restricted by their own longer term ambitions. Leavers disagree on what it means to leave. Remainers are split into those who might go for a soft Brexit Norway option and those that want to forget the whole thing and stay in.

52/48 was always too close a result to settle this. In Australia they have referendums more often but in order to enact change the vote to change has to be about 75% IIRC. They should’ve done that with ours.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:19 am  

Bullseye wrote:

52/48 was always too close a result to settle this. In Australia they have referendums more often but in order to enact change the vote to change has to be about 75% IIRC. They should’ve done that with ours.

I'm pretty sure this government of the people have imposed far more draconian rules on trades union ballots than a mere majority.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:19 am  

Bullseye wrote:

The problem is the referendum split the country but not along party lines. That means parties are going to struggle to sort it out as they’re always reluctant to meet in the middle to do a deal. Meeting in the middle is going to annoy people on both sides of the argument so much that the politicians are paralysed since they’re restricted by their own longer term ambitions. Leavers disagree on what it means to leave. Remainers are split into those who might go for a soft Brexit Norway option and those that want to forget the whole thing and stay in.

52/48 was always too close a result to settle this. In Australia they have referendums more often but in order to enact change the vote to change has to be about 75% IIRC. They should’ve done that with ours.

Yeah, it’s noticeable that the Brexiteers talk in terms of the 17.4 million, which is legitimate and accurate, more than 52%, which is a majority but a narrow one. Obviously sufficient for Brexit, but not necessarily their preferred version of it.

I understand May’s instinct to try to firm up her base in the parliamentary Conservative party, having lost her majority. However, once the extent of the recalcitrance of the ERG became clear, the arithmetic became impossible for her. She chose holding that ship together rather building a cross-party consensus around a softer Brexit. In fairness, she might well have been chucked overboard if she’d tried the latter. But there was an element of personal pride in there as well, imo - in that she just couldn’t bring herself to ‘go crawling’ to Corbyn and Labour.