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Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:44 am  

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The conservatives would be best trying to keep this about us leaving the European union. It will serve as a convenient distraction to the withering NHS, the failing education system, voter fraud, the snoopers charter, the doubling of the national debt, a record trade deficit, stagnant wages, etc etc


Indeed.
It's quite staggering that, under these circumstances, the ruling party can be so "popular".
Corbyn may well have increased grass roots numbers but, General Elections are not won by having large numbers of party members, they are won by the party which most people believe will deliver a brighter future than the opposition.
Labour may be promising to protect some of our public services but, what else are they "selling" us ?
People want to believe that the future will be better than what they have, unless we are in boom time (in which case they will be happy to "carry on") but, Labour are promising only to keep us in the mire that we are in and not offering any way out.
The Tories on the other hand will further slash the welfare state and with the help of their friends in the press, they will convince the masses that everything will be better when we are out of The EU and will win the election with a land slide majority. :DEPRESSED:
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:45 am  

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The conservatives would be best trying to keep this about us leaving the European union. It will serve as a convenient distraction to the withering NHS, the failing education system, voter fraud, the snoopers charter, the doubling of the national debt, a record trade deficit, stagnant wages, etc etc


It will also get us away from low taxation, reasonable growth levels, solid employment levels, increased living standards, an economy that embraces talent, low corporation tax, low crime levels etc.
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 am  

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Sal Paradise wrote:
It will also get us away from low taxation, reasonable growth levels, solid employment levels, increased living standards, an economy that embraces talent, low corporation tax, low crime levels etc.


How do you get "increased living standards" when, despite low inflation, wages have failed to keep up with inflation since the Tories came back into power, albeit with the LibDems for 5 years.
Also, I dont think the average guy on the street gives a damn about levels of corporation tax, regardless of any positive effect that the could have for potential investment.
What does "embraces talent" actually mean, it's just rhetoric, a bit like "British values".

Finally, "low crime levels", really ???
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:05 am  

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How do you get "increased living standards" when, despite low inflation, wages have failed to keep up with inflation since the Tories came back into power, albeit with the LibDems for 5 years.
Also, I dont think the average guy on the street gives a damn about levels of corporation tax, regardless of any positive effect that the could have for potential investment.
What does "embraces talent" actually mean, it's just rhetoric, a bit like "British values".

Finally, "low crime levels", really ???


We have very interest rates which keeps mortgages at very affordable levels we have very low inflation numbers, so whilst wages may not have grown household costs have actually dropped - lower fuel costs, lower food costs etc.

Lower corporation tax means company's have more available cash to invest - if you believe Keynes that is the start of growth in the 10 year cycle - whilst they may not give a damn they will if it keeps them in a job or it means the company has the available cash to pay them?

This is a culture that encourages the best to progress where earnings are basically limitless - so if you are really good this is a great country to maximise the earning potential of your skill set. Why else would so many want to come here as opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Holland Belgium?

Are you saying crime levels are rising?
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Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:09 am  

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Labour are 20 points behind in the polls, only 17% of the electorate believe Corbyn would make a decent PM. The fixed-term parliaments act was put in place to specifically stop governments calling snap elections when the polls suit them.
All May had to do was point to the cliff she wanted Corbyn to lead the Labour Party off and he ran at it like the political moron he is.

Jeremy, engage the peanut you have masquerading as a brain and try and imagine what the political landscape will look like in two years time. An incompetent Brexit agreement, including two years of slap downs for our negotiating team, a health service in ruin and the Scots leaving the U.K. All brought on us by Theresa May. She will have no bunker to hide in, no excuses and will have to face months of election build up.
But no, Jeremy, you're living in a delusional dream world.

The other rumour I heard was that Corbyn was thinking of stepping down in autumn. No wonder May wanted an election now.
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Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:10 am  
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Sal Paradise wrote:
We have very interest rates which keeps mortgages at very affordable levels we have very low inflation numbers, so whilst wages may not have grown household costs have actually dropped - lower fuel costs, lower food costs etc.

Lower corporation tax means company's have more available cash to invest - if you believe Keynes that is the start of growth in the 10 year cycle - whilst they may not give a damn they will if it keeps them in a job or it means the company has the available cash to pay them?

This is a culture that encourages the best to progress where earnings are basically limitless - so if you are really good this is a great country to maximise the earning potential of your skill set. Why else would so many want to come here as opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Holland Belgium?

Are you saying crime levels are rising?

You're wasting your time, wrencat and his mates simply want Labour in, they have no substantive argument as to why and what Labour would do.
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:27 am  

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Sal Paradise wrote:
We have very interest rates which keeps mortgages at very affordable levels we have very low inflation numbers, so whilst wages may not have grown household costs have actually dropped - lower fuel costs, lower food costs etc.

Lower corporation tax means company's have more available cash to invest - if you believe Keynes that is the start of growth in the 10 year cycle - whilst they may not give a damn they will if it keeps them in a job or it means the company has the available cash to pay them?

This is a culture that encourages the best to progress where earnings are basically limitless - so if you are really good this is a great country to maximise the earning potential of your skill set. Why else would so many want to come here as opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Holland Belgium?

Are you saying crime levels are rising?


Where are you measuring from ?

Yes, we have extremely low interest rates but, they were at 0.5% in 2009, so no credit to the Tories for that and wages have been largely stagnant over the same period.
The only social group that is better off, compared to when the Tories cam to power are the over 65's, so , I just dont get where you believe that we are in a better position.

Finally, could you please point out which household costs have reduced over the last 7/8 years as I'm really struggling to find any.

Having said all of this, I dont think that anyone really believes that Labour would control national expenditure better than the current government and their plans to re nationalise some of the utilities is quite scary, although, this is irrelevant as they will be nowhere near in the forthcoming election.

The major benefit for most people has been the extremely low cost of borrowing, which has given many people more cash in their pockets but, the interest rates "crashed" before the Tories came into power.

The danger with the interest rates, though, is the alarming levels of personal debt and IF, inflation starts to increase more quickly, interest rates would have to increase and this would have a massive effect on our potential for growth.
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:26 pm  

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Sal Paradise wrote:
It will also get us away from low taxation, reasonable growth levels, solid employment levels, increased living standards, an economy that embraces talent, low corporation tax, low crime levels etc.


Low taxation - overall tax burden has increased (you seem to fall for the idiocy surrounding the basic rate of income tax)

Reasonable growth levels - growth in what - headline DGP? How does that translate into an improvement in people's day to day lives?

Solid employment levels - yes, although how many are part-time; zero-hours; pensioners carrying on working because of financial need; and the involuntary self-employed?

Increased living standards - not for most people. Still below 2008 levels.

An economy that embraces talent? By under-funding and undervaluing scientific research, etc - ie the only things that can make the country's future prosperous.

Low corporation tax - yes, but is that a good thing? Especially as notwithstanding it being low so many avoid it my transfer-pricing, sale and lease-back arrangements; offshoring intellectual property and royalties; etc. Lower CT means a higher personal tax burden for all UK resident and domiciled taxpayers and reduced funds for public services. Granted dividend payments are enhanced but given the lack of investment returns it hardly helps.

Low crime? Only the other day it was announced there had been a huge increase in violent crime in the capital city, including of knife and gun crime.

Are you reading 19th century newspapers or something?
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:31 pm  

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Sal Paradise wrote:
We have very interest rates which keeps mortgages at very affordable levels we have very low inflation numbers, so whilst wages may not have grown household costs have actually dropped - lower fuel costs, lower food costs etc.

Lower corporation tax means company's have more available cash to invest - if you believe Keynes that is the start of growth in the 10 year cycle - whilst they may not give a damn they will if it keeps them in a job or it means the company has the available cash to pay them?

This is a culture that encourages the best to progress where earnings are basically limitless - so if you are really good this is a great country to maximise the earning potential of your skill set. Why else would so many want to come here as opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Holland Belgium?

Are you saying crime levels are rising?


Low interest rates are a moral hazard created by the excessive credit and its consequence - the 2008 crisis. Low-interest rates serve to reduce investment returns and so stifle investment. They also result in excessive debt burden being taken on - which will lead to another, deeper crisis. As to affordability, only for those with pre-existing mortgages - who are in effect being subsidised by savers and the prudent. For new borrowers, capital values are higher as a result (ie no more affordability. In fact, if you read a 21st century newspapers you may realise that young people are in fact priced out of the housing market in many areas even where earning several times the national average income).
Re: General Election 8th June Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:35 pm  

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DHM wrote:
Labour are 20 points behind in the polls, only 17% of the electorate believe Corbyn would make a decent PM. The fixed-term parliaments act was put in place to specifically stop governments calling snap elections when the polls suit them.
All May had to do was point to the cliff she wanted Corbyn to lead the Labour Party off and he ran at it like the political moron he is.

Jeremy, engage the peanut you have masquerading as a brain and try and imagine what the political landscape will look like in two years time. An incompetent Brexit agreement, including two years of slap downs for our negotiating team, a health service in ruin and the Scots leaving the U.K. All brought on us by Theresa May. She will have no bunker to hide in, no excuses and will have to face months of election build up.
But no, Jeremy, you're living in a delusional dream world.

The other rumour I heard was that Corbyn was thinking of stepping down in autumn. No wonder May wanted an election now.


Talking of delusional dream worlds - do you really think Jeremy, of the Metropolitan Elite, will be reading your message to him on a rugby league fans website? Do you think he knows or cares what rugby league is?
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