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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:46 pm  
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Because there weren't any.


You do realise this could quite easily become a "What have the Romans ever done for us" moment. I'll start with the biggest hospital building programme in the history of the NHS.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:01 pm  
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You do realise this could quite easily become a "What have the Romans ever done for us" moment. I'll start with the biggest hospital building programme in the history of the NHS.

You mean PFI and the massive ongoing cost associated?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:05 pm  
Record investment in the NHS, schools and the police.
Introduction of the National Minimum Wage and the New Deal.
Devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
Good Friday Agreement.
Introducing Civil Partnerships, the Equality Act, the Human Rights Act.
Cancelled debt for the world’s poorest countries.
World’s first Climate Change Act.
Allowed stupid people to continue to vote.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:08 pm  
But apart from all that, basically nothing right?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:12 pm  
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Record investment in the NHS, schools and the police.

Profligate spending leading to massive deficit.

Introduction of the National Minimum Wage and the New Deal.

Not a positive in my opinion


Devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland

Not a positive in my opinion, deveolved but still costing English tax pounds.

Good Friday Agreement. Nope, not Blair, he just finished a job started long before.
Introducing Civil Partnerships
Equality Act, the Human Rights Act. European legislation


Cancelled debt for the world’s poorest countries.
Costing us even more money

World’s first Climate Change Act,
whoopy doo

Allowed stupid people to continue to vote
Im not a socialist, therefore I am stupid, wounded, seriously, heartbroken that you have that opinion of me

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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:12 pm  
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You mean PFI and the massive ongoing cost associated?


Well I ask myself whether when my family members are being treated in the state of the art Cancer facility at St James's in Leeds, I should focus on the amazing facility or the funding methodology. Early PFI was crap and created an unhelpful debt burden, but you have to weigh that up against the huge overhaul of aging infrastructure it helped deliver.

Your point by point dismissal of everything Tigertot wrote is extreme. Even a Tory MP could begrudgingly point to a handful of positive achievements of the Blair and Brown years. You don't HAVE to adopt such an extreme position. It makes it very hard to engage you in any type of debate.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:17 pm  
IR80 wrote:
Because there weren't any.



Do not be silly.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:29 pm  
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Im not a socialist, therefore I am stupid,

Self-awareness. It's a start.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:37 pm  
I thought i would just fill the list out a little.

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.

2. Low mortgage rates.

3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.

4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.

5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.

6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.

7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.

8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.

9. Employment is at its highest level ever.

10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.

11. 85,000 more nurses.

12. 32,000 more doctors.

13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.

14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.

15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.

16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.

17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.

18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.

19. Restored city-wide government to London.

20. Record number of students in higher education.

21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.

22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.

23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.

25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.

27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.

28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.

29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.

30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.

31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.

32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.

33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.

34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.

35. Banned fox hunting.

36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.

37. Free TV licences for over-75s.

38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.

39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.

40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.

41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.

42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.

43. Free eye test for over 60s.

44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.

45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.

46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.

47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.

48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.

49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.

50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:55 pm  
tigertot wrote:
Record investment in the NHS, schools and the police.
Introduction of the National Minimum Wage and the New Deal.
Devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
Good Friday Agreement.
Introducing Civil Partnerships, the Equality Act, the Human Rights Act.
Cancelled debt for the world’s poorest countries.
World’s first Climate Change Act.
Allowed stupid people to continue to vote.


NHS - that period widely accepted as the one that stuffed the NHS in the longer-term - PFI, crazy new GP contracts, interfering and appointing lots of managers. Most of the NHS' current problems date to then. The undoubted short-term improvements have left a longer-term legacy which is wretched.

Devolution for Scotland - is making Labour unelectable nationally. I doubt we with EVER see another majority Labour government in the UK. It has also given a huge boost to the Independence movement.

Climate Change Act - posturing. Nobody in power or business has any will to deal with the matter. If they did the economy would need to contract massively. Businesses just use 'green' as a marketing tool while continuing by there very existence to add to environmental degradation.
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