Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:34 am  

A general election BEFORE brexit is completed will simply be another referendum under a different guise which will have nothing at all to do with what happens to such as the NHS, Housing, transport, jobs, pensions, income tax or any other of the tory crippling policies.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:36 pm  

Trevork52 wrote:

A general election BEFORE brexit is completed will simply be another referendum under a different guise which will have nothing at all to do with what happens to such as the NHS, Housing, transport, jobs, pensions, income tax or any other of the tory crippling policies.

What crippling policies?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:52 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

My word, a week is a long time in politics!

What’s you next prediction oh omnipotent one?

Are they both forgiven now?

Maybe if Cummings puppet hadn’t messed about with the prorogation he could have had May’s deal done & dusted by the witching hour.

That was never going to pass - so let's move on.

Missing the 31st has nothing to do with Boris, nothing to do with Brexit either it is about MPs looking down on their voters with contempt. Labour don't want an election because they will be wiped out - they know it. They need to remove Corbyn before any election. Lansman is Corbyn's Cummings. Starmer would be an ideal leader for Labour - he would give Boris a run.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:35 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

That was never going to pass - so let's move on.

Missing the 31st has nothing to do with Boris, nothing to do with Brexit either it is about MPs looking down on their voters with contempt. Labour don't want an election because they will be wiped out - they know it. They need to remove Corbyn before any election. Lansman is Corbyn's Cummings. Starmer would be an ideal leader for Labour - he would give Boris a run.

So you think that the prorogation of Parliament (twice) is the best way to debate Brexit ?
Boris, like May before him, is a stooge until Brexit is finished and depending on the outcome (of Brexit and the election) he will be replaced.
Corbyn or at least the public perception of him has to go to give Labour any chance of gaining power, although, IF Boris and Farage knock enough lumps out of each other, who knows what shape the next Parliament will be - probably a hung Parliament, with Boris and Farage on one side and Corbyn and Sturgeon on the other and just for a plot twist, the Libdems holding the balance of power what fun !

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:58 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So you think that the prorogation of Parliament (twice) is the best way to debate Brexit ?
Boris, like May before him, is a stooge until Brexit is finished and depending on the outcome (of Brexit and the election) he will be replaced.
Corbyn or at least the public perception of him has to go to give Labour any chance of gaining power, although, IF Boris and Farage knock enough lumps out of each other, who knows what shape the next Parliament will be - probably a hung Parliament, with Boris and Farage on one side and Corbyn and Sturgeon on the other and just for a plot twist, the Libdems holding the balance of power what fun !

Based on recent shenanigans on all sides the best thing we could do with Parliament is sack them all!

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:27 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

That was never going to pass - so let's move on.

Missing the 31st has nothing to do with Boris.

In the eyes of the particularly dim, Boris Johnson could shoot a disabled kitten in the head live on parliament TV, and it would be someone else's fault; probably a joint enterprise between Jeremy Corbyn and John Bercow.

Meanwhile, Brexit emphatically didn't get done, do or die, he actually did request an extension, and the big-brained schemes of Cummings appear to be unravelling; it is absolutely not the job of the opposition parties to dig him out of this hole - or ditch - which is very much of his own digging.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:10 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So you think that the prorogation of Parliament (twice) is the best way to debate Brexit ?
Boris, like May before him, is a stooge until Brexit is finished and depending on the outcome (of Brexit and the election) he will be replaced.
Corbyn or at least the public perception of him has to go to give Labour any chance of gaining power, although, IF Boris and Farage knock enough lumps out of each other, who knows what shape the next Parliament will be - probably a hung Parliament, with Boris and Farage on one side and Corbyn and Sturgeon on the other and just for a plot twist, the Libdems holding the balance of power what fun !

You know aswell as I they are no debating Brexit - those that don't want to leave the EU i.e. 70% of MPs including the speaker are just coming up idea after idea and technical measures to stop it. They could have debated Brexit for 3 years more and Labour would never vote for a Tory deal. Prorogation simply saved us all the trouble. They were that desperate for parliament to get back to work that after the Benn act was done none of them bothered to attend - its a farce.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:15 am  

bren2k wrote:

:lol:

In the eyes of the particularly dim, Boris Johnson could shoot a disabled kitten in the head live on parliament TV, and it would be someone else's fault; probably a joint enterprise between Jeremy Corbyn and John Bercow.

Meanwhile, Brexit emphatically didn't get done, do or die, he actually did request an extension, and the big-brained schemes of Cummings appear to be unravelling; it is absolutely not the job of the opposition parties to dig him out of this hole - or ditch - which is very much of his own digging.

The blind and stupid like you are incapable of actually admitting that parliament don't want to leave and will do anything it can to frustrate the process. Labour by their on admission are going to campaign for remain going forward despite suggesting they would honour the result of the referendum - but red under pant wearers like you see only one side - I actually think you think Jeremy could walk on the surface of the river Aire - you are in your words incredibly dim.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You know aswell as I they are no debating Brexit - those that don't want to leave the EU i.e. 70% of MPs including the speaker are just coming up idea after idea and technical measures to stop it. They could have debated Brexit for 3 years more and Labour would never vote for a Tory deal. Prorogation simply saved us all the trouble. They were that desperate for parliament to get back to work that after the Benn act was done none of them bothered to attend - its a farce.

You may be right but, Boris, instead of allowing scrutiny of a bill that he hailed as being "a new deal" and then the Tory Grandees have tried to say that it doesn't need debate as its the same as Mays deal.

The very fact that he has drawn a border down the Irish Sea, something that he had previously stated that he would never do, is reason enough to scrutinise and debate his deal.
He is losing the plot and resorting to child like threats to try and get his way.
Instead of trying to stifle debate, he should have been confident enough to sell his deal to Parliament.
Of course it would still be difficult to get through but, the guy in charge of the new "wanabe" independent UK, seems frightened of scrutiny and with some of his recent stunts and threats, the opposition are 100% right not to trust his word.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The blind and stupid like you.

You just lost the debate there with that one, and lost your remaining credibility