Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4)
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:49 pm
IR80 wrote:
Name the last PM to be elected by the public... I'll put the slow cooker on whilst I await a response.
Was it Bobby Walpole?
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Sal Paradise wrote: Are you for real - I don't think so - Parliament has done everything it can to block Brexit and that includes the speaker. My view has always been the only way to leave is no deal with all the short term calamitous consequences. We differ on whether this is right thing - if it were only a trading relationship that would be ideal to stay in but its not. The disconnect as you well know is the inability to accept the vote by MPs - guarantee we would not be in the position if we had voted to remain by a slender majority. Obviously there is a group of MPs who want to remain, but they are in a minority. Maybe about 114, based on the vote to trigger article 50. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883 That was before the last election, but give or take. The problem is that those who are happy or at least willing to Leave are spread across the spectrum of soft through hard to the impossibilist/no deal approach of the ERG, and completely unable or unwilling to accept anything other than their own specific version that they all believe 17.4 million voters endorsed. The problem isn’t remainers, the problem is the Leave coalition breaking down and failing to unite behind a single coherent position. And everybody kinda forgot about Northern Ireland because it hadn’t been on the news for 20 years - making up for lost time now though, innit? |
Sal Paradise wrote: Are you for real - I don't think so - Parliament has done everything it can to block Brexit and that includes the speaker. My view has always been the only way to leave is no deal with all the short term calamitous consequences. We differ on whether this is right thing - if it were only a trading relationship that would be ideal to stay in but its not. The disconnect as you well know is the inability to accept the vote by MPs - guarantee we would not be in the position if we had voted to remain by a slender majority. Obviously there is a group of MPs who want to remain, but they are in a minority. Maybe about 114, based on the vote to trigger article 50. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883 That was before the last election, but give or take. The problem is that those who are happy or at least willing to Leave are spread across the spectrum of soft through hard to the impossibilist/no deal approach of the ERG, and completely unable or unwilling to accept anything other than their own specific version that they all believe 17.4 million voters endorsed. The problem isn’t remainers, the problem is the Leave coalition breaking down and failing to unite behind a single coherent position. And everybody kinda forgot about Northern Ireland because it hadn’t been on the news for 20 years - making up for lost time now though, innit? |
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Mild Rover wrote: Obviously there is a group of MPs who want to remain, but they are in a minority. Maybe about 114, based on the vote to trigger article 50. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883 That was before the last election, but give or take. The problem is that those who are happy or at least willing to Leave are spread across the spectrum of soft through hard to the impossibilist/no deal approach of the ERG, and completely unable or unwilling to accept anything other than their own specific version that they all believe 17.4 million voters endorsed. The problem isn’t remainers, the problem is the Leave coalition breaking down and failing to unite behind a single coherent position. And everybody kinda forgot about Northern Ireland because it hadn’t been on the news for 20 years - making up for lost time now though, innit? Remain leaning MPs are far more than 114 - there are 50 SNP for a start so let's be realistic - just because they voted to trigger article 50 doesn't mean they supported leave. David Lammy is one example, Hilary Benn, Ken Clarke another etc. As a country we shouldn't let a few idiots in Ireland and the inability of the Irish governments to control their citizens. The troubles in the end were simply a cover for organised crime which provided arms to other organised criminals. This still goes on but the lack of a border makes it even easier. The problem is anything but no deal basically leaves you in and you trade independence for trade access to Europe. As I said before we went into Europe to smooth trade what has happened is we are now controlled by a super state run by the unelected such as Barnier, Tusk and Jonkers. Labour are simply going to offer you two versions of remain. |
Mild Rover wrote: Obviously there is a group of MPs who want to remain, but they are in a minority. Maybe about 114, based on the vote to trigger article 50. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883 That was before the last election, but give or take. The problem is that those who are happy or at least willing to Leave are spread across the spectrum of soft through hard to the impossibilist/no deal approach of the ERG, and completely unable or unwilling to accept anything other than their own specific version that they all believe 17.4 million voters endorsed. The problem isn’t remainers, the problem is the Leave coalition breaking down and failing to unite behind a single coherent position. And everybody kinda forgot about Northern Ireland because it hadn’t been on the news for 20 years - making up for lost time now though, innit? Remain leaning MPs are far more than 114 - there are 50 SNP for a start so let's be realistic - just because they voted to trigger article 50 doesn't mean they supported leave. David Lammy is one example, Hilary Benn, Ken Clarke another etc. As a country we shouldn't let a few idiots in Ireland and the inability of the Irish governments to control their citizens. The troubles in the end were simply a cover for organised crime which provided arms to other organised criminals. This still goes on but the lack of a border makes it even easier. The problem is anything but no deal basically leaves you in and you trade independence for trade access to Europe. As I said before we went into Europe to smooth trade what has happened is we are now controlled by a super state run by the unelected such as Barnier, Tusk and Jonkers. Labour are simply going to offer you two versions of remain. |
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