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Re: Homelessness : Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:48 pm  
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Which budget it comes from is irrelevant. The Govt has a pot of money to spend and , among other things,it comes from tax and NI . It's the amount that counts. Now you can argue that you want a republic and that's fair enough but the fact is we spend more on health tourists than we do on the royal family. We can argue till we're blue in the face about the return on the royal family or what the actual cost of health tourism is but the fact remains we spend more on one than the other.


It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.

The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence.
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Re: Homelessness : Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:12 pm  
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It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.

The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence.

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Re: Homelessness : Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:36 pm  
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That's a good attempt - but the argument about the health tourism lie, was about the estimated figure, as a proportion of the overall NHS budget.

The "return" for the Royal Family is difficult to quantify, because there are some rather arcane calculations used in most cases; personally, I object to them at a more fundamental level than just the money.

I object to health tourists as a matter of principle not just the cash
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Re: Homelessness : Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:40 pm  
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It's relevant to me; as I said, I'm quite content that if someone has a medical emergency whilst in the UK, we treat them - and the numbers who are deliberate co-called 'health tourists' are so vanishingly small, as to not be worth pursuing.

The decision to spend 70 million quid on an inbred, extended family who have inherited wealth and privilege because their ancestors oppressed and enslaved poor people, is an entirely different thing; so aside from the morals of it, you're creating a false equivalence.

Although as a human being I get the emergency thing,however it still sticks in my craw that we wouldn't get the same courtesy in other countries I could name.
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am  
bren2k wrote:
Forbes:

"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."

Viva la revolution.

You are talking solely about the Sovereign Grant at c£70m. The actual cost is estimated at c£350m https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 45436.html
However, as you say later, the cost is not the main issue.
bren2k wrote:
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"According to the latest Sovereign Grant accounts that were published last week, taxpayers in the UK are forking over more money than ever for the Royal Family. The monarchy cost £67 million ($86 million) in 2018-19, a 41% increase on the previous financial year. It has also emerged that the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, the official residence of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, cost £2.4 million of public funding, despite the fact that it was a gift provided to the couple by the Queen."

Viva la revolution.

You are talking solely about the Sovereign Grant at c£70m. The actual cost is estimated at c£350m https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 45436.html
However, as you say later, the cost is not the main issue.
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:31 am  
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Although as a human being I get the emergency thing,however it still sticks in my craw that we wouldn't get the same courtesy in other countries I could name.

But you would in some others. So why are you obsessing so much on this rather than the Tories drive to outsource so much of the NHS, which is truly criminal?
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:03 am  
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But you would in some others. So why are you obsessing so much on this rather than the Tories drive to outsource so much of the NHS, which is truly criminal?

If it is "criminal" why don't you make an official claim to the police, who would then spend a few minutes laughing at you and move on to something else.
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:29 am  
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If it is "criminal" why don't you make an official claim to the police, who would then spend a few minutes laughing at you and move on to something else.

Why don't you try & produce something constructive in your pathetic little life? Just an idea.
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:32 am  
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Why don't you try & produce something constructive in your pathetic little life? Just an idea.

Ah, here comes abuse again, I wish I was as clever as you.
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Re: Homelessness : Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:55 am  
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But you would in some others. So why are you obsessing so much on this rather than the Tories drive to outsource so much of the NHS, which is truly criminal?

I'm afraid the NHS going forward will have to reform or die. The fact is research is finding more and more ways to keep us alive and it comes at a cost. I truly believe that a complete and honest review is needed instead of tinkering around the edges. We all (i hope) want a properly run and funded NHS. How we do that without bankrupting the country I have no idea. It can't be just throwing money at it or the extra cash will just get swallowed up. And I no I will get derided for this but maybe we need to get back to basics and stop funding, for example, IVF or gastric band operations, sex changes etc
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