Re: More Tory Lies : Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:25 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Jealousy is a sad thing, Johnson and his family have worked for what they have

You've got some poo on your nose.

Re: More Tory Lies : Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:53 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

You've got some poo on your nose.

Nothing to add, what a surprise.

Re: More Tory Lies : Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:54 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Johnson and his family have worked for what they have,

Christ on a bike you're naive if you believe that. His heritage dates back to Turkish/Germanic royalty and he was educated at loving ETON.
He left uni with an imaginary degree, lost his first journalistic job for telling lies, wrote click bait for the far right, span crap about straight bananas and if he was unemployed tomorrow, his kids by no matter how many women would all be set for life...not because he's a genius, but because his heritage afforded him access to connections.
He is not stupid......by no stretch should anyone think of him as he would like you to. Elected head of the Oxford Union is like being an apprentice PM. He is nobody's fool, although he'd love you to think he is....
He is a lot of things, but a self made man he isn't!

Re: More Tory Lies : Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:51 pm  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

Christ on a bike you're naive if you believe that. His heritage dates back to Turkish/Germanic royalty and he was educated at loving ETON.
He left uni with an imaginary degree, lost his first journalistic job for telling lies, wrote click bait for the far right, span crap about straight bananas and if he was unemployed tomorrow, his kids by no matter how many women would all be set for life...not because he's a genius, but because his heritage afforded him access to connections.
He is not stupid......by no stretch should anyone think of him as he would like you to. Elected head of the Oxford Union is like being an apprentice PM. He is nobody's fool, although he'd love you to think he is....
He is a lot of things, but a self made man he isn't!

Didn't he get a scholarship to Eton?

Re: More Tory Lies : Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:50 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Didn't he get a scholarship to Eton?

After already attending a prep-boarding school.
Also, kings scholars are means tested with most paying 50% of the fees..... So hardly a paupers tale.
He was a bright kid, but he is a cunning self interested fellow who has little interest in the lot of ordinary folk.

Re: More Tory Lies : Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Right wing views?

Don't sweat it. That basically means you don't conform to the hard left.

Re: More Tory Lies : Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:22 am  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

After already attending a prep-boarding school.
Also, kings scholars are means tested with most paying 50% of the fees..... So hardly a paupers tale.
He was a bright kid, but he is a cunning self interested fellow who has little interest in the lot of ordinary folk.

All successful people have a cunning self interest - that is what drives them on.

Re: More Tory Lies : Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:12 pm  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

Christ on a bike you're naive if you believe that. His heritage dates back to Turkish/Germanic royalty and he was educated at loving ETON.
He left uni with an imaginary degree, lost his first journalistic job for telling lies, wrote click bait for the far right, span crap about straight bananas and if he was unemployed tomorrow, his kids by no matter how many women would all be set for life...not because he's a genius, but because his heritage afforded him access to connections.
He is not stupid......by no stretch should anyone think of him as he would like you to. Elected head of the Oxford Union is like being an apprentice PM. He is nobody's fool, although he'd love you to think he is....
He is a lot of things, but a self made man he isn't!

For someone who lists 'history' amongst his hobbies you're not so hot on the fact-checking, as proven on your syllabus post.

There is a single tenuous link to royalty via one of his paternal great-great-grandmothers, who may or may not have been the illegitimate daughter of Prince Paul of Württemberg (a duchy, only elevated to kingdom status by Napoleon Bonaparte when it joined his Confederation of the Rhine). Being illegitimate doesn't really provide much of an advantage.

The Turkish link is a paternal great-grandparent - Ali Kemal - a journalist and later politician, who was stoned to death for opposing Ataturk. Not royalty.

Also on his paternal side one of the other great-grandparents hails from the Pfeffel family - certainly a successful bunch - but again, not royalty.

On his maternal side the ancestral mix is interesting, but definitely no royalty in there.

I'm not saying his family doesn't have some middle-upper class roots, and his father certainly moves in 'upper' circles having been successful in his own right (after starting out as a sheep farmer). But stating "he's from German/Turkish royalty" is simply not true.

As for the "imaginary degree", he gained an Upper Second Class Honours in the School of Literae Humaniores, more widely known as 'Classics' or 'Greats' - considered one of the hardest degrees Oxford offers and the degree the very best scholars tend to go for. For a start, fluent knowledge of Latin and Ancient Greek is required. I dare say you have achieved better?

Re: More Tory Lies : Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:39 pm  

That's a hell of a well researched cheerlead for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

It's often said that a good chunk of Brits are still serfs, and are only happy when the posh folk are in charge. Their own lack of self esteem makes them distrust people who are from the same class as they are. Unless of course you're an old Etonian who is verging on aristocracy?

Re: More Tory Lies : Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:04 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

That's a hell of a well researched cheerlead for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

It's often said that a good chunk of Brits are still serfs, and are only happy when the posh folk are in charge. Their own lack of self esteem makes them distrust people who are from the same class as they are. Unless of course you're an old Etonian who is verging on aristocracy?

Not a cheerlead at all - just facts, clearly stated. When someone states Boris Johnson is descended from "Turkish/German royalty" I think to myself - not something I knew before, so I do some deeper research to find - oh look, it's simply not true.
I do give him credit for his Classics degree as it's a quite an achievement by any measure. I would do the same for anyone.

I did the same sort of research a few years ago when Corbyn first came to prominence and I first heard "he supports the IRA and various other terrorists", only to find that IS true.

Your final paragraph is utter nonsense. I couldn't care less who is in charge - I don't suffer from politics of envy - as long as they do a good job along the lines I believe in.