Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:11 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

We will have to start fact checking you like they have to with Johnson. I would also remind you that his ex “friend” who he visited at night , took on trade trips and received over £100,000 in public money. A few PC gaffes are you for real he called out single mothers and the working class in the most derogatory terms.
The man is a buffoon who would throw anyone under a bus for his own advantage. He gets more like Trump everyday that passes and the fact checking would make him so proud of his UK student.
Which party receives money from the Russians and is currently blocking a report on their meddling in the UK elections.

sorry, where is YOUR evidence about these lies?

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:52 am  

Cronus wrote:

I'd sooner have a bloke who's shagged around a bit, told a few white lies in the past and made a few un-PC gaffes, than a man who - for his entire adult life - has supported terrorist groups, sided against the UK and the West time after time, and who consorted with Soviets during the cold war. A man who has appointed his ex, the anti-West racist Abbott, and his close friend, the Marxist ideologue McDonnell to the front Labour bench.

Let's not forget, Jeremy Corbyn:
- Invited IRA members to the Houses of Parliament weeks after the Brighton bombing.
- Protested against the trial of one of the (guilty) IRA Brighton bombers.
- Fails - time after time - to apologise for the rampant antisemitism in Labour.
- Will NEVER condemn terrorism without drawing some moral equivalence with a Western action - he couldn't even condemn feckin ISIS without referencing the British Army during the Mau Mau uprising.
- Lied about meeting with the IRA.
- Wants a united Ireland.
- Laid a wreath for the Munich terrorists.
- Promotes Marxist politics of envy. Remember, according to Marx, Socialism leads to Communism.

As usual, the left ignore the inconvenient truth. If those clowns ever get within farting distance of No.10, we're all in trouble.

And despite the above list, Corbyn is still the more honest broker of the 2 candidates.
I've said all along that I dont like Corbyn or some of his policies but, Johnson is not telling "white lies" he is in utter denial of anything that has occurred in the last 10 years, some of which, he spent in the cabinet - although he was sacked from that post for incompetence and now he's been promoted.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:00 pm  

Where have you been I think it is a given that he lies for example:
40 New Hospitals - no not true
50,000 New Nurses - no it isn’t
Biggest investment in the NHS - no it isn’t
The problem is he just keeps repeating these lies despite them being disproved many times.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:11 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And despite the above list, Corbyn is still the more honest broker of the 2 candidates.
I've said all along that I dont like Corbyn or some of his policies but, Johnson is not telling "white lies" he is in utter denial of anything that has occurred in the last 10 years, some of which, he spent in the cabinet - although he was sacked from that post for incompetence and now he's been promoted.

No one has told more lies in this campaign than Labour - as the leader he has to take some responsibility for trying to deceive the electorate. He is anything but an honest broker - the stunt on the NHS last week smacks of desperation.

Now they are going to use the road fund licence to reduce rail fairs - I thought them nationalising everything would bring costs down as removes all the profit element - surely that is sufficient to see prices falling or is that yet another lie from Labour?

If you want to see the future of what the unions will be like when Labour reintroduce legislation to increase their power take a look at South West Trains - 27 days of strikes - happy days!!

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:24 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No one has told more lies in this campaign than Labour - as the leader he has to take some responsibility for trying to deceive the electorate. He is anything but an honest broker - the stunt on the NHS last week smacks of desperation.

Now they are going to use the road fund licence to reduce rail fairs - I thought them nationalising everything would bring costs down as removes all the profit element - surely that is sufficient to see prices falling or is that yet another lie from Labour?

If you want to see the future of what the unions will be like when Labour reintroduce legislation to increase their power take a look at South West Trains - 27 days of strikes - happy days!!

Come on Sal, did you watch Johnson being interviewed by Marr (he's too frightened for a proper probing by Andrew Neil), the guy absolved himself for anything and everything that has happened over the last 10 years and wants to be judged only on the last 120 days ??
It's a bloody disgrace.

I've posted before about the deep cuts that the Tories have made, and they now expect the electorate to forget what has happened and be grateful for some promised increases in Education and police spending.

The "stunt" on nursing numbers would be embarrassing if some primary school kids had come up with them but, no, we've had the PM and most of his cabinet trying to justify how 30,000 extra nurses plus 20,000 currently employed would equal 50,000 new nurses ?? and money put aside for "feasibility studies" (seed money) will equal 40 new hospitals, despite funding not being in place and not being in their spending plans.

Every party exaggerates and makes wild spending plans in the run up to an election but, these jokers are pretending things are actually happening when the definitely are not.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:31 pm  

Labour's spending plans have been costed at twenty eight times than those of the Conservatives. 28 times and the conservatives are being accused on here of over egging the pudding. Jeez

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:50 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Come on Sal, did you watch Johnson being interviewed by Marr (he's too frightened for a proper probing by Andrew Neil), the guy absolved himself for anything and everything that has happened over the last 10 years and wants to be judged only on the last 120 days ??
It's a bloody disgrace.

I've posted before about the deep cuts that the Tories have made, and they now expect the electorate to forget what has happened and be grateful for some promised increases in Education and police spending.

The "stunt" on nursing numbers would be embarrassing if some primary school kids had come up with them but, no, we've had the PM and most of his cabinet trying to justify how 30,000 extra nurses plus 20,000 currently employed would equal 50,000 new nurses ?? and money put aside for "feasibility studies" (seed money) will equal 40 new hospitals, despite funding not being in place and not being in their spending plans.

Every party exaggerates and makes wild spending plans in the run up to an election but, these jokers are pretending things are actually happening when the definitely are not.

What is Johnson supposed to say - he didn't decide the direction of travel under Cameron or May. Labour left the country with a huge financial hole - something had to be done. Do you honestly think any party would want to implement austerity - its a massive vote loser - it say much that they were prepared to do it. What would you have suggested? I don't hear Corbyn defending much of what Blair/Brown did - in fact he rebelled against most of it. I don't see how you blame Johnson for the mess that Brexit became under May or not scrapping Tuition fees under Cameron etc.

Building 40 more hospitals is a long term project over the next 20 years - seed money for scoping where a need has been identified seems perfectly sensible to me. Will they ever get built - more chance if the economy is thriving - even you can't see that under Labour.

Will there be 50,000 more nurses - will Labour build 100,000 council house - more chance of 50,000 more nurses. How many trees are they going to plant? - Labour are not credible on any subject you wish to cover - are they really going to find £85bn from the rich and corporations?. Corbyn heads up this lot so you cannot absolve him of any responsibility.

I will leave you will a couple of Churchill's quotes

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity"

"you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it"

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Do you honestly think any party would want to implement austerity - its a massive vote loser

Should be a massive vote loser, but huge swathes of the public were conned into thinking we were 'all in it together' needed to 'balance the books', 'tighten the purse strings' and 'reduce the deficit', while at the same time, the disaster capitalists were cleaning up, and the rich got super rich.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:14 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: What is Johnson supposed to say - he didn't decide the direction of travel under Cameron or May. Labour left the country with a huge financial hole - something had to be done. Do you honestly think any party would want to implement austerity - its a massive vote loser - it say much that they were prepared to do it. What would you have suggested? I don't hear Corbyn defending much of what Blair/Brown did - in fact he rebelled against most of it. I don't see how you blame Johnson for the mess that Brexit became under May or not scrapping Tuition fees under Cameron etc. Building 40 more hospitals is a long term project over the next 20 years - seed money for scoping where a need has been identified seems perfectly sensible to me. Will they ever get built - more chance if the economy is thriving - even you can't see that under Labour. Will there be 50,000 more nurses - will Labour build 100,000 council house - more chance of 50,000 more nurses. How many trees are they going to plant? - Labour are not credible on any subject you wish to cover - are they really going to find £85bn from the rich and corporations?. Corbyn heads up this lot so you cannot absolve him of any responsibility. I will leave you will a couple of Churchill's quotes "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity" "you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it" Just to save me typing page after page, this is the interview with Marr fact checked, by the BBC (not by some bogus Tory twitter site): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056 When you've had time to skim through it, you can let us know at which point Boris actually told the truth, about anything Whether it's him or Cummings or whoever else that is "controlling" their output, it's just wrong.

Sal Paradise wrote: What is Johnson supposed to say - he didn't decide the direction of travel under Cameron or May. Labour left the country with a huge financial hole - something had to be done. Do you honestly think any party would want to implement austerity - its a massive vote loser - it say much that they were prepared to do it. What would you have suggested? I don't hear Corbyn defending much of what Blair/Brown did - in fact he rebelled against most of it. I don't see how you blame Johnson for the mess that Brexit became under May or not scrapping Tuition fees under Cameron etc. Building 40 more hospitals is a long term project over the next 20 years - seed money for scoping where a need has been identified seems perfectly sensible to me. Will they ever get built - more chance if the economy is thriving - even you can't see that under Labour. Will there be 50,000 more nurses - will Labour build 100,000 council house - more chance of 50,000 more nurses. How many trees are they going to plant? - Labour are not credible on any subject you wish to cover - are they really going to find £85bn from the rich and corporations?. Corbyn heads up this lot so you cannot absolve him of any responsibility. I will leave you will a couple of Churchill's quotes "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity" "you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it" Just to save me typing page after page, this is the interview with Marr fact checked, by the BBC (not by some bogus Tory twitter site): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056 When you've had time to skim through it, you can let us know at which point Boris actually told the truth, about anything Whether it's him or Cummings or whoever else that is "controlling" their output, it's just wrong.

Re: Boris Johnson - spinless leader ? : Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:28 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: Just to save me typing page after page, this is the interview with Marr fact checked, by the BBC (not by some bogus Tory twitter site): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056 When you've had time to skim through it, you can let us know at which point Boris actually told the truth, about anything Whether it's him or Cummings or whoever else that is "controlling" their output, it's just wrong. ah yes, the famously not at all left wing BBC, what a credible source.

wrencat1873 wrote: Just to save me typing page after page, this is the interview with Marr fact checked, by the BBC (not by some bogus Tory twitter site): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50624056 When you've had time to skim through it, you can let us know at which point Boris actually told the truth, about anything Whether it's him or Cummings or whoever else that is "controlling" their output, it's just wrong. ah yes, the famously not at all left wing BBC, what a credible source.