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Re: Brexit watch Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:48 am  

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ColD wrote:
Pretty static does not appear a good result to me, apart from the vaccination the Blues have been having a horrid time over the last 12 months - Labour seem to be doing the best part of nothing to capitalise on it.

Thought Starmer was going to turn them wrong but he looks out of his depth with a poor shadow cabinet to boot - standing at the despatch box reading questions as though he was still in his old job makes Boris look good, and that takes some doing

Plus, my vision of Labour is a working class party and “Sir Kier” does not have the right image - wouldn’t be surprised to see Burnham being dragged back in at some point


I think that Burnham is on record saying that he would be interested in leading the party but, not yet and probably not before the next GE.
Labour desperately need some ideas, that interest the "masses".
It's all well and good protecting the vulnerable and sticking up for the very poorest in society but, there has to be something for those in the middle, who, ultimately, will decide the next government.
Mind you, there's plenty of time to go and eventually Boris's one liners and endless lies and broken promises will catch up with him.
Wonder how we are going with the 50,000 new nurses, 20,000 new policemen and the 20 new hospitals ??
Re: Brexit watch Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:57 pm  

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ColD wrote:
Pretty static does not appear a good result to me, apart from the vaccination the Blues have been having a horrid time over the last 12 months - Labour seem to be doing the best part of nothing to capitalise on it.

Thought Starmer was going to turn them wrong but he looks out of his depth with a poor shadow cabinet to boot - standing at the despatch box reading questions as though he was still in his old job makes Boris look good, and that takes some doing

Plus, my vision of Labour is a working class party and “Sir Kier” does not have the right image - wouldn’t be surprised to see Burnham being dragged back in at some point

I think Starmer was probably the best of a bad bunch ,Burnham would be the obvious choice but would he be able to get the momentum influence out of the party
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Re: Brexit watch Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:16 pm  
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The darkness of the pandemic will be dispersing shortly resulting in the spotlight falling flush onto the Johnson government. This will mean the full effects of Brexit and their actual handling of the pandemic will become clear and the constant referencing to the vaccination success will be severely diluted.
The rubbish and lies he spouts at PMQ’s will be scrutinised along with the alleged corruption in the party and failures of the cabinet. Johnson was only posting on Thursday that to receive greater investment in Batley and Spen then they need a conservative MP which not surprisingly is against election law but this means nothing to him.
Re: Brexit watch Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:00 am  

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Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
The darkness of the pandemic will be dispersing shortly resulting in the spotlight falling flush onto the Johnson government. This will mean the full effects of Brexit and their actual handling of the pandemic will become clear and the constant referencing to the vaccination success will be severely diluted.
The rubbish and lies he spouts at PMQ’s will be scrutinized along with the alleged corruption in the party and failures of the cabinet. Johnson was only posting on Thursday that to receive greater investment in Batley and Spen then they need a conservative MP which not surprisingly is against election law but this means nothing to him.


He will be blaming the pandemic for all of the failings and lapping up the credit if/when anything goes well.
He's like Teflon at the moment, with all the scmidt bouncing straight off him and it will be difficult to catch him with his hands in the government till but, hopefully, the brown stuff will start to stick.
Labour need to get their own house in order and come up with some policies that will encourage enough people to vote for them.
Sadly, they are bloody miles away at the moment, absolutely miles away.

I know that Galloway distorted the vote at Batley but, Labour, in opposition, with all the crap that's going round (and has been for over 10 years) should be way ahead in the polls but, they are in such disarray that Boris can do whatever he wants, without any fear of the consequences.
Re: Brexit watch Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:58 pm  

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Oh the irony

Read past the headline which is deliberately misleading as this is nothing to do with the EU

Britain leaves the EU and stops migrant workers coming here to pick fruit and veg.

British farmers are now concerned that British supermarkets will make up for the lost produce by importing more food from the EU.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -latest-vn

Taking back control my booty.

Anyway 53% of British farmers voted to leave. They won and should get over it
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Re: Brexit watch Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:59 am  

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Durham Giant wrote:
Oh the irony

Read past the headline which is deliberately misleading as this is nothing to do with the EU

Britain leaves the EU and stops migrant workers coming here to pick fruit and veg.

British farmers are now concerned that British supermarkets will make up for the lost produce by importing more food from the EU.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -latest-vn

Taking back control my booty.

Anyway 53% of British farmers voted to leave. They won and should get over it


They need to charge more and we need to pay more - simple.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:55 am  

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They need to charge more and we need to pay more - simple.


Do you mean that UK customers need to look for indications of British grown or reared, and be willing to pay more than for produce from overseas? Or that we put tariffs on overseas produce, to protect our farmers, so everything is more expensive?

Neither is ridiculous but both have problems. Simple and obvious but nonetheless big problems.

I suspect farming is being allowed to wither. From what bits and pieces I’ve seen the commitment to replace EU farming subsidies with something similar from the UK exchequer is limited and time bound. There’s a ‘market capitalist, don’t subsidise failing industries’ argument for that but it does raise issues around food security and highlights the effective limits of sovereignty in the real world, when neighbouring countries do subsidise their producers.
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Re: Brexit watch Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:51 pm  

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We have some of the most advanced farming in the world here and our produce is second to none. Why are we importing lamb from NZ and exporting to the EU - its madness.

For too long subsidies have allowed inefficient farming - especially in the EU. Why do we think it is OK to keep pumping money into loss making businesses? That situation is not sustainable longer term.

Farmers want their crop picked for the lowest cost they can and complain when nobody is willing to work for pitiful wages?

We all have to accept if we want fresh UK produce it will have a price - will increasing the price of milk by 10p a litre really impact most families? Petrol is now 30p/ltr higher than it was a year ago - I don't see any change on the roads - its a question of choice.

The government needs to use us leaving the EU as a springboard to increase demand for home grown produce and really promote these products.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:24 pm  
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The plan is to use deals like the one with Australia to bring in cheaper high intensity farmed meat to the U.K. and to send our better quality abroad.
Re: Brexit watch Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:20 pm  
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"inefficient farming" = essentially any farm which isn't a destructive, ruthless megafarm.

Good to know this is the future of British agriculture.
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