Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:00 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

But the idea that the EU doesn’t want use their vaccine because it is too British is laughable paranoia. They’re more frustrated that they can’t get enough of it.

Schrödinger's vaccine.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:25 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

100% this.
The weird patriotism BS being spread about the AZ, sorry err "Oxford" vaccine is mind-boggling. If people can't see they're being fed a line with that one I truly despair at what they'll believe.

Is that the Oxford vaccine that was delayed from the factory in India ?
If they had gone with that headline in the Mail, the roll out would have stopped in it's tracks

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:38 am  

How can a variant first found in Kent and sweeping through the EU and many other countries be washed up on our shores because we have it already.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:46 am  

I just don’t get the Nationalistic hype the tories are pushing with the covid vaccine rollout, but I guess it’s not aimed at me, as they know I won’t swallow it.

They make it sound like we’ve never undertaken a vaccination programme before.
The NHS has administered millions of jabs for donkeys years now, with about 20 million flu jabs in the 3 months before Christmas every year.

As the local doctor said, the NHS was already set up for vaccination programmes, all that was needed was bigger premises, which were quickly identified as the sports stadiums, and taxpayers money to implement.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:05 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

How can a variant first found in Kent and sweeping through the EU and many other countries be washed up on our shores because we have it already.

It helps the narrative terrifically if you can pretend that it's all driven by those awful foreigners and no such stuff could possibly evolve here. Not with our superior genes and stuff.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:15 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

How can a variant first found in Kent and sweeping through the EU and many other countries be washed up on our shores because we have it already.

Because the narrative is

Washed up on our shores with dodgy immigrants coming in on boats.

Sounds a lot better than flown in by Boris dad after he visits his holiday home to get it ready for summer season

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:23 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Well yes the EU has elected representatives and delegates with the key players all needing approval from our own elected government and the parliament being directly elected and major decisions requiring vote by the nation states. I do wonder what fantasy world you're talking about half the time.

Again, as if you're really upset about "protectionism" and all you've ever wanted in life is a bit of old liberal laissez-faire free trade. Really? Or is it just something to latch on to to beat the EU?

The world has divided into a number of regional trading blocs, regional because you trade most with those nearest at hand. Those blocs reduce or eliminate trade friction within. They don't massively raise friction externally.

You can believe that the UK is best served living outside this global reality. And I'm sure we could make a go of it as a low tax, low regulation, low pay economy as that's the best way to operate if you decide being inside your bloc isn't for you. (And especially if at the same time you passionately refuse to believe in making the investments which would differentiate us as a high knowledge, high skill, high wage economy).

The low tax and regulation route would work out just fine for some, maybe for you; not so much for the many however.

You just don't get it - our influence as one of 27 is pretty small in a system set up to suit the French and the Germans primarily. Both the Dutch and the Irish voted against a treaty what happened? Do you honestly believe that say Holland could actually prevent legislation if the likes of Germany and France decided it was a good thing? We supposedly had a veto until Cameron tried to use it.

If the EU had remained a trading block brilliant but it didn't - it became a super state where regulation/control became the focus rather than mutual prosperity.

The difference with say the China is that as a trading block it doesn't have to refer/defer to anyone else in doing what is best for itself - the EU is very different all the other major trading blocks. China trades with everyone how does its location help it reduce trade friction?

Where have I said we shouldn't make investments in the private sector, better communications, better infrastructure - why would we invest in making the state bigger? You don't really believe investing in the public sector will deliver a high knowledge, high skill, high wage economy - do you?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:27 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

How can a variant first found in Kent and sweeping through the EU and many other countries be washed up on our shores because we have it already.

This is about Government control - they need to keep finding things to extend the lockdown. Now we can't even go abroad even to countries with very low infection rates e.g. Israel. They want to extend the special measures way beyond the June end of restrictions. It has nothing to do with foreigners as you and Ghost and Durham would like it to be.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:38 pm  

Superblue wrote:

I just don’t get the Nationalistic hype the tories are pushing with the covid vaccine rollout, but I guess it’s not aimed at me, as they know I won’t swallow it.

They make it sound like we’ve never undertaken a vaccination programme before.
The NHS has administered millions of jabs for donkeys years now, with about 20 million flu jabs in the 3 months before Christmas every year.

As the local doctor said, the NHS was already set up for vaccination programmes, all that was needed was bigger premises, which were quickly identified as the sports stadiums, and taxpayers money to implement.

In 2019 they did 1.8m Flu jabs not 20m - this vaccination program is unprecedented in scale in this country 20 times the size of the flu jab roll out.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:42 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I dunno, you're the one who keeps mentioning them. Obsessed or deflecting attention, whichever. The reality is they've never been in power so what they would or would not have done is utterly irrelevant.

I only mention Corbyn when he patriotic credentials are raised and by comparison with current shambles we have as a government. I have never suggested the current state of anything has Grandad as its root cause.