Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:01 am  

Shaymen Down Under wrote:

No, no, no

Say tony Abbott buys the shay. Its alright for a while. We all are happy. Should something happen to reactiv or TA(health, financially) and had to sell. It stops the first bidder who swans along that tony Abbott says yes to.

An ACV buys you time and information, to help formulate plans what ever they maybe. Now I know bubba has applied for the ACV on behalf of the htst, but despite most of your anise towards him. He is still a rugby fan and I know he would engage the rugby supporters trust and the clubs should something happen in the future.

Look Gavin is being just anti private sector and is trying to stall the negotiations which Town fans seem to think is underhand all because it is not in the open to the whole of Calderdale, especially Halifax Town fans and is with a guy who has Halifax RLFC connections. Come on why should it be open to all and sundry? The stadium is Council owned not FC Halifax Town or Halifax RLFC owned so why should they have to share everything which is sensitive financial information on both parties? The system will not allow a public asset to be sold without due diligence and scrutiny by politicians who represent the people of calderdale plus the Council legal department will run through it with a microscope I can assure you!
ACV just protects something from being used for something else which in the Shay's case would be none sport related. Yer that is all well and dandy but the Shay would not be sold off for anything other than a sports ground now anyway, come on Halifax now has enough supermarkets and knocking down the Shay and relocating both clubs would never stack up it would costs millions now that the ground is a decent one plus the land is allocated as open space not for mixed use or employment use (in other words it is allocated as a sports facility).
Where would the money come from for any supporters organisation to take over the Shay and run it as a business? The Shay will not be profitable in its currnet state it needs extra income streams and the biggest thing with Reactiv's bid is they would finish that corner section of the east stand to create offics and create around 100 jobs but hey don't let that fact get in the way Gavin will you???
The biggest thing with any 'deal' to sell the Shay to the private sector is that it must be transferred into the name of a separate stadium company LTD to protect the Shay from the parent company (Reactiv) going bust and a legally binding agreement to ensure the continued use by FC Halifax Town and Halifax RLFC which I believe is what Tony Abbott is proposing.
I am annoyed that some people think that Tony is trying to do this under hand, there is no way the Council would allow that, Tim Swift and the current leadership are sound and the funny thing is they are Labour Councillors who traditionally are not on the side of the private sector, do you really think they would sell the Shay to somebody who does not have the town and clubs at heart and just wants to asset strip the Shay???
Deluded and if this deal falls through I wil come back in 5 to 10 years to remind you how sad the Shay looks as there has been no further investment as the Council will not put any more money in to a loss making stadium.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:09 am  

What would Town fans say if this was David Bosomworth their Chairman buying the Shay?
Come on be honest what would you think then?

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:41 am  

The Bosomworth out protest would start straight away if he even takes an interest in buying the shay.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:49 am  

HalifaxCougar wrote:

The Bosomworth out protest would start straight away if he even takes an interest in buying the shay.

I am not so sure about that as some Town fans would see that as gettng back their own stadium, one other question is how many people does the Halifax town Supporters trust represent and the applicant for an ACV?

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:04 am  

I think we need to hire a private investigator to discredit Bubba.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:36 am  

Fax4Life wrote:

I am not so sure about that as some Town fans would see that as gettng back their own stadium, one other question is how many people does the Halifax town Supporters trust represent and the applicant for an ACV?

I think it would be quite funny to see what the footy fans did if he did put a bid in.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:28 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I think we need to hire a private investigator to discredit Bubba.

No need to be so underhand about it. We're currently in a resession, unemployment is massive. Is bubba's plan going to create 3-400 jobs? Is it going to save the council and the ratepayers of Calderdale money in not having to pay the running costs of The Shay?

The council are in a difficult position. It's hard to turn down a cash offer for something in an age of austerity.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:22 pm  

Brew wrote:

No need to be so underhand about it. We're currently in a resession, unemployment is massive. Is bubba's plan going to create 3-400 jobs? Is it going to save the council and the ratepayers of Calderdale money in not having to pay the running costs of The Shay?

The council are in a difficult position. It's hard to turn down a cash offer for something in an age of austerity.

I`m very surprised that he decided to " pick up the gauntlet " with his latest "plan B " this time around as the last time when he went against Bosomworth hardly anyone backed him. He ended up loseing all credability over the affair and even the Town Board refused the Trust money they had raised . What`s going to happen this time is anyones guess but someone once said " a week is a long time in politics" and so if a reduction of rent suddenly sounds good to Mr B ` and he suddenly feels happy about TA buying the place where does that leave Bubba? As I cannot see many backing him up because they didn`t last time The Trust is all but in name defunct as the Board would not deal with them ,sad situation all round really .

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:17 pm  

johnny freeman fan club wrote:

I`m very surprised that he decided to " pick up the gauntlet " with his latest "plan B " this time around as the last time when he went against Bosomworth hardly anyone backed him. He ended up loseing all credability over the affair and even the Town Board refused the Trust money they had raised . What`s going to happen this time is anyones guess but someone once said " a week is a long time in politics" and so if a reduction of rent suddenly sounds good to Mr B ` and he suddenly feels happy about TA buying the place where does that leave Bubba? As I cannot see many backing him up because they didn`t last time The Trust is all but in name defunct as the Board would not deal with them ,sad situation all round really .

As most of you know I am a little bit simple.
Who is Bubba?
Who does he represent?
Is he publicly elected?
?
Incidentally saw a rather nice people carrier today with "Reactive Media" emblazened on it.
"Pest Control"
Could come in handy.

Re: Application for Shay to be asset of community value : Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:50 pm  

Why would anyone oppose the sale of The Shay?

Anyone with knowledge of former Bradford City Chairman Gordon Gibb's pension fund.

Anyone with knowledge about The Goldstone Ground, Brighton,
Nene Park, Rushden,
Feethams,Darlington
Plough Lane, Wimbledon
And numerous other sports grounds, not just football stadia.

Anyone with knowledge of The Thrum Hall ground fiasco.

Anyone with knowledge of previous Halifax Town Chairmen.

Anyone with knowledge of the ‘Save our Shay’ campaign by both sets of supporters a few years back.

Apart from the meccano set in the corner The ground is looking its best in nearly 100 years.
Anyone who does not fall for the Labour B.S. about how much it costs to run The Shay. They have had long enough to utilise the office space and leisure facilities.

If you have no knowledge of the above it is no wonder you want The Shay sold. If you have no knowledge of the above you should really keep quiet and try thinking a little.