Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:13 pm  

Listenup94 wrote:

Regardless, grixs ‘ tenure from 2019-2023 produced a 55.5% win rate , higher than many lauded coaches . Two third place finishes a challenge cup semi final and an 1885 cup success on a third of the budget of many teams. Regardless of players comings and goings for whatever reason he has nothing to prove to fax or doubting fans .

I’m with ben Shapiro ‘ facts don’t care about feelings’

The stats show that Grix was one of,if not the most successful coach Fax have had but everything is relative and he's moved on and gone.

Just wish others would follow his lead and stop dredging up the past, history is history the present and future is where it's at.

Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:22 pm  

It’s ironic that the narrative on here was that Grix was the route of all our problems and the first season without him and by our own club’s admission an additional £100 k playing budget we are in a relegation battle. I remember a fans forum in the not too distant past where Grix said we were punching up and people shook their heads . Looks like he was right all along .

Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:35 pm  

Personally I feel like our current predicament is down to a failure to freshen up our squad when it was badly needed, poor man management of some players that were signed, and a lack of knowledge about contracts from our football manager afterall we have to remember that our squad spend this season went up by between 100-150k compared to the previous season. Unfortunatley a combonation of those things has seen people jump ship and leave us in a right mess.

Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:43 pm  

faxcar wrote:

The stats show that Grix was one of,if not the most successful coach Fax have had but everything is relative and he's moved on and gone.

The stats also show he was part of our 3 worst finishes in this division albeit one was as a player so its fair to ignore that one. Ultimatley coaches leave jobs 2 ways, either move on to something better or get sacked. Grix got something better and he has been a part of the mess that is happening at Hull and as a double whammy he left us with a squad that was way past its sell by date but the writing was on the wall about that even with the 1895 win.

Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:44 pm  

Listenup94 wrote:

It’s ironic that the narrative on here was that Grix was the route of all our problems and the first season without him and by our own club’s admission an additional £100 k playing budget we are in a relegation battle. I remember a fans forum in the not too distant past where Grix said we were punching up and people shook their heads . Looks like he was right all along .

Aye remember who dug it it up again and back to the old copy and paste.

What is ironic someone mentioned scapegoats earlier but it seems they need someone to blame and pass judgement on more than anyone with the same ones liking and laughing along with the posts whether it's aimed at the Board, the coach a player.

And if anyone thinks they can do a better job or supply the money so someone else can then do so.

If not then don't be critical and come out with all this I would have done that, they should have done this after the event when those that do try the best they can.

Re: Doncaster away : Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:46 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

The stats also show he was part of our 3 worst finishes in this division albeit one was as a player so its fair to ignore that one. Ultimatley coaches leave jobs 2 ways, either move on to something better or get sacked. Grix got something better and he has been a part of the mess that is happening at Hull and as a double whammy he left us with a squad that was way past its sell by date but the writing was on the wall about that even with the 1895 win.

Stats are taken as a percentage across the full period and not based on just the worst figures even though I know that’s what you always like to focus on and mention 3 years and then knock one off because he wasn’t the coach is laughable.

That's precisely the point even though they know about them and have enjoyed the good times the same people never mention his successes, it's like they never happened or it must have been down to someone else.

Such a massive rumpus that goes on for years when a player leaves who they would have kept only they are mentioned.

Never a comment that he was the one who identified them and brought them here in the first place or the booty about face logic that a coach any coach would sign a player he rated only to then use them as a scapegoat and mickey him about to the point that he left.

Never a thought to those he brought in who have been good signings and stayed.

Like the comment on what's happening at Hull, you have no idea of what went wrong yet choose to implicate Simon Grix but if you read anything about it or listen to any professional commentary on the real cause of the problems none of them mention Simon Grix.

Re: Doncaster away : Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:32 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Personally I feel like our current predicament is down to a failure to freshen up our squad when it was badly needed, poor man management of some players that were signed, and a lack of knowledge about contracts from our football manager afterall we have to remember that our squad spend this season went up by between 100-150k compared to the previous season. Unfortunatley a combonation of those things has seen people jump ship and leave us in a right mess.

As before how much first hand knowledge do you have of how many players were approached and we tried to sign or how they were managed whilst here?

What’s described in typical critical fashion as “failure” was in fact down to being outbid or they decided not to come.

Players coming and going for those and other reasons happens every year to every coach and every club, are they all failures and poor at man management then or is it just Fax.

It’s already happened in the recruitment drive for next season an example is Joe Keyes leaving after being offered a good contract extension but being outbid by Bradford by an amount we simply couldn’t match.

As a replacement we tried to sign Meadows from London and Riley Dean to replace him but again we were outbid by Bradford and cash splashing Oldham.

Both those and several others before when RD was here were down to money and choice and nothing to do with failure or lack of understanding contracts, on the latter RD had IC giving some support at times along the way.

How much expertise do you have of coaching, man management, contracts etc and how much of it is based first hand during Grix time here or currently to make a qualified assessment of be judgemental about?

Re: Doncaster away : Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:36 am  

I get that you and LU are big Grix fans and its fine but other people hold different opinions as well. One of my opinions is that Fax under Grix played some of the worst rugby I have seen in my 40 odd years of watching Fax at the back end of his tenure. His failure to address obviously problems in the squad lead to a team that had gone stale and the same was said about his coaching but its no real surprise, 3 or 4 years tends to be around the maximum we see coaches stay at teams.

I can't say I am overly pleased with Finn either but I will wait till next season to make judgement because he got dealt the hand that Grix gave him along with a football manager who didnt know his booty from his elbow when it came to playing contracts. The odds were more than stacked against him.

Re: Doncaster away : Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:01 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I get that you and LU are big Grix fans and its fine but other people hold different opinions as well. One of my opinions is that Fax under Grix played some of the worst rugby I have seen in my 40 odd years of watching Fax at the back end of his tenure. His failure to address obviously problems in the squad lead to a team that had gone stale and the same was said about his coaching but its no real surprise, 3 or 4 years tends to be around the maximum we see coaches stay at teams.

I can't say I am overly pleased with Finn either but I will wait till next season to make judgement because he got dealt the hand that Grix gave him along with a football manager who didnt know his booty from his elbow when it came to playing contracts. The odds were more than stacked against him.

100% agree with all that,including respecting different views,it's a forum..for me that play off defeat to York was a watershed game,when all Grix's ducks lined up and we failed miserably to a team we'd just beaten twice.All that,first 6 games dont matter,we cant play winter football bollx etc..things should have changed then after a long hard review but carried on in same vein and left Finn with the poison chalice he'd manufactured..

Re: Doncaster away : Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:02 am  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

I get that you and LU are big Grix fans and its fine but other people hold different opinions as well. One of my opinions is that Fax under Grix played some of the worst rugby I have seen in my 40 odd years of watching Fax at the back end of his tenure. His failure to address obviously problems in the squad lead to a team that had gone stale and the same was said about his coaching but its no real surprise, 3 or 4 years tends to be around the maximum we see coaches stay at teams.

I can't say I am overly pleased with Finn either but I will wait till next season to make judgement because he got dealt the hand that Grix gave him along with a football manager who didnt know his booty from his elbow when it came to playing contracts. The odds were more than stacked against him.

Well again you get it Wrong 100%. I don't care who or what it is about just simply a big fan of seeing a balanced commentary of events based on factual knowledge of what's being talked about from someone who knows what there talking about rather than a one sided biased running commentary that sounds like some sort of extremist propaganda where an opinion or view has now become a judgement.

As before, after the event everything that went wrong past present and future was down to Grix and everything that went right wasn't but if you can do a better job then go and do it but if not with a blank CV of your own don't presume to sit in judgement of those that try to.