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Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:19 am  
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:45 am  
It will be an interesting discussion until smokey and that uninformed idiot headhunter stick their oars in
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:48 am  
I would support anything that brings back promotion and religation, it's what our sport needs.
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:23 am  
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:45 pm  
Is there enough money to fund 2 full time leagues? Does the second tier have to be full-time? Half the teams in SL simply cannot afford FT teams, so perhaps the answer is no - they don't have to be. The problem then is PT clubs promoted into FT league. Same old problem . . .? Or do we just let "sport" happen. If a club gets relegated and becomes yo-yo so what? Let the sporting thing run it's course. Survival of the fittest.
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:49 pm  
Just spotted this. By Gav Wilson on twitter. http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html
Just spotted this. By Gav Wilson on twitter. http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:21 pm  
Wakey face winding up petition by HMRC.

It's an "oversight" apparently.
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:23 pm  
The money is not there even for a 14 or 12 team comp. Having a 2 tier fulltime SL is for me not the way to go about things, as even many clubs in SL cant afford to do the basics and are often badly run. I dont think Fax, Salford, Cas etc are in a position to be FT clubs. Its OK wanting to be in SL but you need the finance and structure to do it properly. I am very disappointed in SL clubs who have ditched the U20s to save money. The academy aspect of a club is vital and EVERY SL should have an U23, U20 and U18 team. That should be where the heart of a future clubs players come from. The Success of Leeds, Wigan and St.Helens has often been based around players that have come through their system. I am really glad that our club alongside Fev and Sheffield have decided to concentrate alot of time and effort on the academy as that should be where most of out future players come from if done right. IF SL clubs cant afford to run academy teams then for me they shouldnt be in SL. I do think that whilst it is sad and hurts me to say it that Fax alongside others are best being part time clubs and playing and running at a level they can cope with Off the field and make a small profit. SL is a dream- a dream that is wrecking clubs like Bradford, Salford, Castleford etc at the moment. I dont want to see Fax, Fev, Sheffield etc struggle and maybe make big finacial losses just to be in SL with no chance of even making a final let alone winning a trophy.

Personally I would have a SL where teams MUST run 3 academy teams and then have P & R with the championship. Whether SL has 8 , 10 , 12 or 14 teams depends much on who can meet the standards. I dont see the point of having a poor standards SL as is now the case.I would say Catalans, Wigan, Warrington, Leeds, Hull FC, Huddersfield and St.Helens are more or less able to do that. Maybe Widnes and somebody else. I would include London BUT they would receive extra help and maybe ask Sky to take a share in them like News Limited has a share in Melbourne Storm. SL should be a standard bearer and one that pushes clubs to improve in many areas not just the first team. If we are to have a London team then I would have them receive a bigger share of Sky money than Heartland clubs and for them to have extra help in the way the Melbourne Storm do in the NRL. They have to pay more in travelling and costs more to live in London. We also need a stronger London team run properly. Having a weak London team that is struggling along is pointless to me and does little for SL or the games development in London. But any team aiming to be or stay in SL must meet the minimum standards no matter what. The minimum standards for me should include as said 3 academy teams, no debts or loans of more than 100K, a Stadium that can hold 10,000 and the RFL should be allowed to look at the books of any club at any time. I would also drop the Overseas Quota to just 1 like the Championship. Academy players should be given more chance to play in SL and the training they receive should be better than it currently is. Should a club go in to administration or fail to meet the basic standards set out then they lose their SL status the next season.
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm  
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It will be an interesting discussion until smokey and that uninformed idiot headhunter stick their oars in


And they have begun. Smokey making sense to be fair but headhunter wants 20 clubs that can run full time but won't give sky money to undeserving clubs (championship clubs). It's ok to give it deserving clubs, like the bulls, and we all know about them. He doesn't believe we should place clubs in a false position where they will struggle but supported crusaders in SL!

If that's what SL is like, keep it. The fans are as daft as the RFL'
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Re: Support for 2 tier Super League? : Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:04 am  
I agree with LBC, it's the greedy SL clubs who have £ucked up yet again, enlisting loads of young future talents within their organisations, deciding to pay johnny foreigner obscene amounts of dosh for coming over here & taking the p1ss and then trying to bully clubs from a lower division & offloading their kids onto them with some hair-brained scheme to protect & nurture their own assets but with very little commitment from themselves. Take the Bradford Bulls situation for example, I believe that they should have been forced to sell their major assets to pay off debts, for example John Bateman & Elliot Whitehead were made long term offers by their club just prior to the crap hitting the fan. The players were the clubs' only assets, so how were they allowed to hang onto them ?

Another example & very current situation. I along with HalifaxJohn were chatting to Danny Fleming's dad up Greetland last weekend at an amateur game, now I like Danny & have watched his rugby for years at various levels but what the hell is going on with the pro game generally when he can be classed as good enough to represent his country ( and I'm not saying he isn't BTW ! ) yet not good enough to get into a struggling ( on the field & off it ) SL club languishing near the bottom of the league ladder and his club are in a situation where the rules are being changed so that lads such as him will be farmed out to a partner club. In Danny's case, I know he got injured at his partner club so we'll never know if he was gonna make their matchday 17 and he was very unlucky while playing for Rochdale suffering a bad knock on his debut but if you were the coach of a championship club would you be prepared to play four or five kids in your team in one go ? I really hope the lad gets the break he needs to step up & good luck to him, playing for your country must be an awesome feeling & is certainly in my book a great achievement at whatever level so I congratulate him on that & all the best to him.

I remember the great Mick Blacker coaching us up Greetland, a man who i had great respect for, he had some wonderful values and used his own playing career to be able to explain to lads who were short of confidence & pick them up again if they were made of the right stuff. In his day the aim was to "earn a bit of beer money" to boost the weekly wage by getting some games at a pro club. Then the aim was to get some 1st team action & in his case progress to playing for his county, those were honours that got you noticed for the international squads. Now I know that this system isn't in place anymore but i suppose young Danny is making a similar path but it's the regular weekly matches that these players need & by the SL clubs acting the goat most of these young lads are going to miss out.

A two-tier SL programme will not happen cos the top-tier clubs don't want it & will be allowed to dictate.
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