Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:09 pm  

faxlad66 wrote:

Just spoken to Ben at home and its total crap. He has every intention of working for a contract at Fax for next season.

Needs to buck his ideas up then. What has happened to one of my favourite players this season? One of the best at taking on the line and pushing players off with the best handoff in the league. We have hardly seen it this season for one reason or another. Lets see a strong finish to the season eh Blacky.

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:11 pm  

billyfax wrote:

Interesting the anti-tampering deadline for SL and the Championships is September 1st. Therefore any news about who is signing for next year would mean that a club has broken the Operational Rules regarding making illegal approaches to players under contract.

After the 1st, you can approach any player whose contract expires on 30th November of this year. Otherwise the anti-tampering rule remains in place for contracts with years remaining on it.

So either this is just a big pile of poo or Widnes are in a lot of trouble!

Widnes are not in trouble and this rumour is a load of poop.I would not want Black anyway.

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:11 pm  

billyfax wrote:

Interesting the anti-tampering deadline for SL and the Championships is September 1st. Therefore any news about who is signing for next year would mean that a club has broken the Operational Rules regarding making illegal approaches to players under contract.

After the 1st, you can approach any player whose contract expires on 30th November of this year. Otherwise the anti-tampering rule remains in place for contracts with years remaining on it.

So either this is just a big pile of poo or Widnes are in a lot of trouble!

There are ways around it, hence why Chris Hill and Jamie Ellis were allowed to sign agreements with Warrington and Hull, not to mention the signings Widnes have already been making for next season (Cross, Briscoe etc).

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:12 pm  

Greg Florimos Boots wrote:

Needs to buck his ideas up then. What has happened to one of my favourite players this season? One of the best at taking on the line and pushing players off with the best handoff in the league. We have hardly seen it this season for one reason or another. Lets see a strong finish to the season eh Blacky.

I'm not sure if it's a loss of form or if he's carrying an injury. Watch him when he's not involved in the play - he always limps!

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:17 pm  

littlerich wrote:

He's our best player. Must have another three years left in him. Great news.

Two faced?

Mind you, if you were you wouldn't wear that one!

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:18 pm  

Leyther_Matt wrote:

There are ways around it, hence why Chris Hill and Jamie Ellis were allowed to sign agreements with Warrington and Hull, not to mention the signings Widnes have already been making for next season (Cross, Briscoe etc).

Only if the club have informed the players that they are not being offered contracts for next season. Then the players/agents are free to arrange contracts for next season. Any other situation sould be a breach.

Unless Halifax have told Ben Black that they will not be offering him a contract, then at this moment in time he is not allowed to talk to any other team until September 1st. Even if he has talked to another team it would be unwise to inform anyone of this so that word could get out that you have!

That's why it is unlikely to be true because Championship teams don't have to submit contract details to players until 9th September regarding next season. Therefore it's highly unlikely that Halifax have told him anything and even less likely that he's spoken to Widnes and arranged anything so a fan can blow the whistle on his own team.

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:18 pm  

halifaxjohn wrote:

:MOTOR:

Two faced?

Mind you, if you were you wouldn't wear that one!

That was a marvellous U-Turn wasn't it?

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:22 pm  

Ben has had an operation on his knee and is out for around 3 weeks, so maybe he`s had that injury for a while. Lets hope he can come back to form for the run in.

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:29 pm  

littlerich wrote:

:lol:

That was a marvellous U-Turn wasn't it?

Loved it,

Re: Welcome to Widnes... : Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:36 pm  

billyfax wrote:

Only if the club have informed the players that they are not being offered contracts for next season. Then the players/agents are free to arrange contracts for next season. Any other situation sould be a breach.

Unless Halifax have told Ben Black that they will not be offering him a contract, then at this moment in time he is not allowed to talk to any other team until September 1st. Even if he has talked to another team it would be unwise to inform anyone of this so that word could get out that you have!

That's why it is unlikely to be true because Championship teams don't have to submit contract details to players until 9th September regarding next season. Therefore it's highly unlikely that Halifax have told him anything and even less likely that he's spoken to Widnes and arranged anything so a fan can blow the whistle on his own team.

The other alternative would be that Widnes have paid a fee to sign him (they're not exactly short of cash) but will allow him to remain with 'Fax until the end of the season.