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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 4:54 pm  
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We lost because our completion rate was dreadful and we were incapable of doing the basics right. Batley were better than us end of IMO. The other factors are part and parcel of rugby league. Rettie was a fool to allow himself to get wound up, the crowd were on his back all day and he should have realised that. Dont care about the ref and the rest of the issues. We just didnt get anything right and Batley did.


spot on!

would like to see the completion % compared to last 2/3 games, bet nowhere near.

We had the passion, but no brains!!
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 5:01 pm  
Batley played to the game plan.

As JK has just said on radio Leeds they were well aware of the attacking threat of Halifax but snuffed it out almost perfectly.

The Fax three quater line never got the ball or made a single line break all the game, we need a quick play the balls at some point in any game to rack up the points but it never happened today.

Our attacking sets were poor which we barely completed a set as was our kicking game especially with Tigers knowledge of the pitch.

Todays ref allowed a fair bit of laying on and hands in at the play the ball and a skinny 10 yards to go unpenalised for both sides.

Batley were more patient and as a result got the win.

I prefer a more open attacking brand of rugby league and found the game a bit flat.

The main dissapointment with Batley is that they are a very good attacking side themselves with dangerous players that did not, or were not allowed to play this type of game, but who am I to question Mr Kears tactics especially when it won them the game.

The main dissapointment I have with Fax is they just didn't adapt to what was going on and had no control over the play or the game and with only 12 and then 11 players on the pitch didn't exactly help.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 6:41 pm  
Went as a neutral today so am a little suprised to say the least that Fax fans are blaming referees because he absolutely caned Batley....I thought halifax had a big pack but Batley had some big old boys out there today and dug in a bit deeper than your blokes. Very exciting game though. I think either team could have nicked it today but Batleys halves were also smarter than Fax's. The sending off is even more bizaare a mate told me that Rettie nutted his own brother in law........what a tool !! There was also an incident where he blatently kicked Walton which will probably get him an additional ban to the long one he is staring down the barrel of now.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 6:56 pm  
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Went as a neutral today so am a little suprised to say the least that Fax fans are blaming referees because he absolutely caned Batley....I thought halifax had a big pack but Batley had some big old boys out there today and dug in a bit deeper than your blokes. Very exciting game though. I think either team could have nicked it today but Batleys halves were also smarter than Fax's. The sending off is even more bizaare a mate told me that Rettie nutted his own brother in law........what a tool !! There was also an incident where he blatently kicked Walton which will probably get him an additional ban to the long one he is staring down the barrel of now.

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What's wrong with that? I've wanted to nut my brother in law for years. Mind you, everyone want's to nut my brother in law.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 7:38 pm  
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Went as a neutral today so am a little suprised to say the least that Fax fans are blaming referees because he absolutely caned Batley....I thought halifax had a big pack but Batley had some big old boys out there today and dug in a bit deeper than your blokes. Very exciting game though. I think either team could have nicked it today but Batleys halves were also smarter than Fax's. The sending off is even more bizaare a mate told me that Rettie nutted his own brother in law........what a tool !! There was also an incident where he blatently kicked Walton which will probably get him an additional ban to the long one he is staring down the barrel of now.


Not blaming the ref myself but i will say the following.

Where the ref is concerned is that he is there to officiate the game without influencing or affecting the outcome by his own actions or inactions.

In the context of todays game the constant slowing down and hands in at the play the ball did play a big part in what happened during and later on in the game.

If he had stopped that early on, which on another day will be the case then a lot of the niggling and frustration on show that eventually led to the sending off and other unsavoury incidents would have been avoided.

In this sense the ref can and does influence things for the worse, they wind up the players and supporters long before the result is known because they are just not good enough and often make blantantly wrong decisions.

They are just as responsible and should be just as accountable as the other parties involved but they never are.

Sooner or later every team will be affected by this and many supporters of the game would agree the standard of some of the officials is poor and if Fax had won the game I am sure one or two Batley fans would have not been too happy with the man in the middle.

The question is.
If our team wins is it okay for the officials to have bad games but we don't say anything?

In todays game Batley deserved to win and as a team were the better side on the day but that does not mean the officials can be excused for his performance that affected both sides.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 8:18 pm  
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quinny wrote:
Went as a neutral today so am a little suprised to say the least that Fax fans are blaming referees because he absolutely caned Batley....I thought halifax had a big pack but Batley had some big old boys out there today and dug in a bit deeper than your blokes. Very exciting game though. I think either team could have nicked it today but Batleys halves were also smarter than Fax's. The sending off is even more bizaare a mate told me that Rettie nutted his own brother in law........what a tool !! There was also an incident where he blatently kicked Walton which will probably get him an additional ban to the long one he is staring down the barrel of now.


Not blaming the ref myself but i will say the following.

Where the ref is concerned is that he is there to officiate the game without influencing or affecting the outcome by his own actions or inactions.

In the context of todays game the constant slowing down and hands in at the play the ball did play a big part in what happened during and later on in the game.

If he had stopped that early on, which on another day will be the case then a lot of the niggling and frustration on show that eventually led to the sending off and other unsavoury incidents would have been avoided.

In this sense the ref can and does influence things for the worse, they wind up the players and supporters long before the result is known because they are just not good enough and often make blantantly wrong decisions.

They are just as responsible and should be just as accountable as the other parties involved but they never are.

Sooner or later every team will be affected by this and many supporters of the game would agree the standard of some of the officials is poor and if Fax had won the game I am sure one or two Batley fans would have not been too happy with the man in the middle.

The question is.
If our team wins is it okay for the officials to have bad games but we don't say anything?

In todays game Batley deserved to win and as a team were the better side on the day but that does not mean the officials can be excused for his performance that affected both sides.


Excellent post mate. I spoke to an old school mate of mine before the kick off, he's a long serving fax fan and we both knew what to expect, even before the game had started. We knew there wouldn't be anything in it, because Stokes (today's ref) never penalises holding down, he killed us (dog's) away at York last season with it. Surely that is a bad indictment of an official, if fans know exactly what an official is or in this case isn't going to penalise, even before a ball is kicked. The coaches surely will if fans do and plan accordingly.

TBH, I don't think it did either team any favours today. The guy is totally incompetent, simple as, but at least he is fair. He isn't talented enough/intelligent enough to cheat IMO. I cannot say the same for either Tommason or Leahy though.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 8:37 pm  
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TBH, I don't think it did either team any favours today.


I totally disagree with this. As we have seen the last 2 games, when we get on a roll with quick play the balls we are pretty difficult to stop. I would love to have seen the game played at the same pace as the last couple of weeks but it was never going to happen once the ref set his stall out and ive seen amateur games that have been played at a quicker pace than todays.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 9:28 pm  
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I totally disagree with this. As we have seen the last 2 games, when we get on a roll with quick play the balls we are pretty difficult to stop. I would love to have seen the game played at the same pace as the last couple of weeks but it was never going to happen once the ref set his stall out and ive seen amateur games that have been played at a quicker pace than todays.


Fax definately benefit from a quick play the ball but it's not just about Fax or any one other team.
The game as a whole is much better.

Fast attacking Rugby League is what sets it apart from any other sport and is possibly one of the main reasons that got us to watch the game in the first place and keep us going back.

Think about it, on a decent dry pitch like today slow play means this.

From the intial impact of the tackle they remain in contact grapling about until the ref calls HEEELLLLDDDD.

Even after that they still often fall to the ground and have a wrestle and roll around until the ref says MOOOOVE.

Slowly but eventually they let go of one another but still push and shove at the play the ball when they are getting to their feet.

Sometimes from the man in possession the ball comes lose and the ref gives a knock on.

Sometimes in exactly the same situation in the same game the ref gives a penalty for interference at the play the ball.

By which time the players and supporters are getting wound up.

On a wet pitch it's even worse when this happens because it's like a cross between WWF and aligator wrestling, not exactly what we want to see at a game.

You can't have a stop watch out but if we have a common sense tackle completion and clean ruck play the ball where you have to let go and either move or roll away without all the messing around the game benefits as a result it's not too difficult or hard to achieve surely.
More attacking play, more breaks, more points, more enjoyment but most importantly of all more Rugby League.
More like what we pay our money to see to be honest.
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 9:46 pm  
yes, the ref was poor for both teams....he should have penalised Batley many times for holding down and didnt. Neither teams has square markers especially in the 1st half.

what frustrates me is the complete lack of consistancy between games.

the ref however is not why we lost.

Calum Casey wants sending back to Leeds, it is beyond me why? on the 4th tackle at 16-16 do you kick through to nobody but yourself (downhill!) instead of building pressure and knocking over a drop goal. That is where we lost the game.

Bowman in i think for Swinton.

Patto also needs to have a word for missing that penalty and not kicking it dead!

Too many of our players made poor decisions today. That is why we lost - simple.

Watching Batlley for the 1st time this season today, they are average. Fax lost that game.

Batley didnt win it!
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Re: You can say what you want.... : Sun May 20, 2012 9:48 pm  
oh yeah, onwards and upwards! Swinton to smash on Friday! Awesome away support today!!!!

We are STILL top of the league!
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