Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:37 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

The words "yo-yo" and "club" spring to mind.

Yer P&R from a semi pro league to a full time league will not be easy and vice versa, but some mechanism can be thought up that helps clubs going either way, but not too much to give them an unfair advantage over the other clubs, not sure how but with some deep thinking a formula can be worked up I am sure. Think about the interest a relegation decider will generate and especially a Championship Grand Final where you get promoted, remember Cas v Widnes!
Plus the game will not be open to the corrupt RFL deciding who goes up and who stays in SL (I have my doubts they will ever relegate a SL team), now that must be worth doing!

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:38 pm  

If Fax can compete and not lose vast amounts of money then we should go for it. But I also dont trust the SL clubs or the RFL and I wont be getting my hopes up any time soon things will change that much. Its OK saying SL 1 will have 12 teams but how many teams will SL 2 have and will that include teams who have links with Sl clubs? We would need a minimum of 8. so say 2 SL teams, Fax, Fev, Sheffield and Leigh then who? Toulouse maybe but then who and thats just for a 8 team league. Sorry I just cant see this happening under them ideas.

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:53 am  

swifty62 wrote:

and when come back down have more money than rest so can build slowly.

Past experience shows that clubs have less money when they come back down. Relegation is often followed by ... relegation.

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:55 am  

wereutherein1987? wrote:

So what, ask any West Brom fan if they like being labelled yo-yo club.

The fans love the excitement and thrill of P&R, nowt wrong with being a YO-YO club beats being cannon fodder every week every season.

Great excitement for the fans.

So ... who's paying for it ?

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:56 am  

Fax4Life wrote:

The game is thriving is it?

No - exactly my point. Thank you.

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:28 am  

The Lucky Black Cat wrote:

If Fax can compete and not lose vast amounts of money then we should go for it. But I also dont trust the SL clubs or the RFL and I wont be getting my hopes up any time soon things will change that much. Its OK saying SL 1 will have 12 teams but how many teams will SL 2 have and will that include teams who have links with Sl clubs? We would need a minimum of 8. so say 2 SL teams, Fax, Fev, Sheffield and Leigh then who? Toulouse maybe but then who and thats just for a 8 team league. Sorry I just cant see this happening under them ideas.

IF there's a two tier $uperleague, it'll be two tens, four no-hopers to be "relegated" to $uperleague 2 (Cas, Widnes, Wakefield, Salford probably), Halifax, Sheffield, Leigh, Fev, Toulouse and ... who knows ? The RFL would no doubt like to see a Welsh team in there. Or a second London team. I'd like to see a Cumbrian team - but I don't think any of them are financially strong enough at the moment.

But it all depends on making the finance work. Like it or not, money's the driving factor.

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:47 pm  

griff1998 wrote:

No - exactly my point. Thank you.

What?
Your point seems to be stay with the current Franchising system which is quite frankly defranchising the public.
Come on what would you do then? Oh by the way you been a fan of RL for exactly how long?

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:58 am  

griff1998 wrote:

Past experience shows that clubs have less money when they come back down. Relegation is often followed by ... relegation.

Examples?

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:07 am  

faxlad66 wrote:

Examples?

Workington, Barrow.

Re: Mr Steele Speaks : Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:16 am  

Fax4Life wrote:

What?
Your point seems to be stay with the current Franchising system which is quite frankly defranchising the public.
Come on what would you do then? Oh by the way you been a fan of RL for exactly how long?

Just short of fifty years - what about you ?

If promotion and relegation is to be reintroduced, we need to get into a position where there isn't such a huge gap between the finances of the divisions. Until we do that, it won't work.

Your chairman has publicly said that there's no sugar daddy at Halifax. By contrast, Ken Davy chips about million into the Shuddersfield pot every year. Where's your million going to come from ?

Note - £1m = around 10000 adult season tickets, after deducting VAT

Even in our division, one team is losing huge wedges every year for a modest return in silverware. What's their strategy ?