Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:37 am  

I don`t know what makes you so sure of that , I was involved in a small way when the Council were on about cutting rescources for the surestart nurseries last year. Some of the Councilors were embarrased when they were asked why they could subsidise the Shay but not nurseries.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:49 am  

Knock On Nigel wrote:

The public of calderdale can and will continue to pay for the shay to run at a small loss p.a.
Rent payments would help to ease any tension.

"can and will". Your arrogance knows no bounds. You are now ordering the Calderdale public to finance your hobby.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:03 pm  

Fax4Life wrote:

Last night at Rochdale was exactly the reason why you need to have a stadium fit for the biggest gate possible, be ambitious and not have typical small town mentality. Look at a lot of football clubs below the Premiership they have half full stadiums but they hope they get a big cup match some day or reach the Premiership which many do, look at Southampton and Hull City.
The Shay needs to be around 15K or 16K to get some of the bigger games in RL and lets hope one day Town get Bradford City, Huddersfield Town, Leeds Utd or Burnley down the Shay in the cup.

Fax never got crowds above the current capacity of the Shay in Super League before, and only one game in the semis got over that magic figure this season, that being Wigan vs Leeds.

The current capacity is 12,500, why would either club ever need more than that?

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:05 pm  

johnny freeman fan club wrote:

I don`t know what makes you so sure of that , I was involved in a small way when the Council were on about cutting rescources for the surestart nurseries last year. Some of the Councilors were embarrased when they were asked why they could subsidise the Shay but not nurseries.

The Shay makes a very small loss each year. The only reason for last years being so high is the withholding of any rent by Fax. North Bridge, the Victoria Theatre and the Library are all a much larger drain on the people of Halifax.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:07 pm  

spanishbob wrote:

Average maybe, but peaks would be higher. And I get what he's saying, cup games, semi finals etc would get larger crowds.

You have to have a stadium fit for purpose if you want it to be used

The Shay is more than fit for purpose. Biggest ground in non-league football and I believe it hosted the NR Cup final this year as well as the Rugby World Cup and the possibilty for and England C game there.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:09 pm  

The Lucky Black Cat wrote:

Town fans are a set of luddites that are happy to accept playing in a half finished stadium that will see 2 stands condemned probably in the next 10 years. The Council has no money to redevelop them. Keep living in the past, but dont hold back those that want to live in the future.

Which stands are they? Skircoat has been up almost 90 years, just needs a lick of paint. North Stand has been re-developed, nothing wrong with the South Stand and East Stand. The only thing unfinished is the South-East corner, something that Tony was in discussions with the council to purchase and put his offices into. I'd have no qualms if he did so.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:11 pm  

Knock On Nigel wrote:

The ground is just fine as it is.

Town fans are quite happy the way things are, as the boys in blue are representing the town brilliantly in a strong league, and there is plenty to look forward to via INCREMENTAL growth.

Once again the narrowminded luddites are missing the point. Please read properly and get the point we are making. The Shay in its current state is not a welcoming place for many people except for a couple of thousand people who watch fax/Town. Its not going to get any better because the Council doesnt have the money or the right people to make things better. For the Stadium to improve and be a Community stadium meaning more people other than football and rugby fans using it then massive investment and changes in management is needed. For either Sports Club to grow commercially, the facilities need to be upgraded. Current and potential new Sponsors, as well as many fans expect modern facilities like what Stadiums at Burnley, Huddersfield etc offer that The Shay doesnt.

The Skircoat Stand has toilets which are in a shocking state, holes in the roof and very old seating. A lick of paint is not sorting them issues out. Its a matter of time before the capacity is reduced and eventually the Stand condemned due to health and safety issues. The North Stand already has its capacity reduced and without investment will stay that way. You clowns that think The Shay is OK as it is clearly do not understand the need of what The Shay needs. for the Stadium to become a community Stadium things need to change and its something the Council cant afford to do. I fail to understand how backward thinking people are regarding The Shay. There is a saying "Stand still and you will get left behind". Well Halifax has been standing still for decades and other towns have passed us by and Halifax is a backwater.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:16 pm  

The Lucky Black Cat wrote:

The Skircoat Stand has toilets which are in a shocking state, holes in the roof and very old seating. A lick of paint is not sorting them issues out. Its a matter of time before the capacity is reduced and eventually the Stand condemned due to health and safety issues. The North Stand already has its capacity reduced and without investment will stay that way. You clowns that think The Shay is OK as it is clearly do not understand the need of what The Shay needs. for the Stadium to become a community Stadium things need to change and its something the Council cant afford to do. I fail to understand how backward thinking people are regarding The Shay. There is a saying "Stand still and you will get left behind". Well Halifax has been standing still for decades and other towns have passed us by and Halifax is a backwater.

The seat in the Skircoat are less than 15 years old, can't comment on the roof but the toilets have improved. Just ask the Grimsby and Wrexham fans who visited this season. The capacity of the North Stand was not reduced because of Health and Safety on the stand, simply the lack of toilets which has now been addressed. The town is far from a backwater, look at Rochdale if you want to know hat a backwater is like. The Broad Street Plaza and the train station have been hanged drastically over the last 5 years. I'm not quite sure what you want from the town? The Shay already has a cafe, and there are already a ridiculous number of gyms in the town centre.

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:19 pm  

SuperGeoff wrote:

The Shay makes a very small loss each year. The only reason for last years being so high is the withholding of any rent by Fax. North Bridge, the Victoria Theatre and the Library are all a much larger drain on the people of Halifax.

That's not how accounting losses work. If someone doesn't pay rent that's a balance sheet issue, not a profit & loss one. How much of your other guesses are incorrect?

Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:22 pm  

littlerich wrote:

That's not how accounting losses work. If someone doesn't pay rent that's a balance sheet issue, not a profit & loss one. How much of your other guesses are incorrect?

Incorrect. If someone is renting a facility the money they pay goes towards the money made on the facility.

If it costs the council 5k for the running costs of a house, and over the course of the year the tenants don't pay the rent that is a 5 loss. If they pay 6k rent that is a 1k profit.

And I thought it was the football who were simpletons.