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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:22 pm  
Oh dear yet again more me, me , me quotes , sorry it isn`t just about the football or rugby it`s about creating a place that more ratepayers of Calderdale (yes there are around 200,000 of them ) who all subsidise Halifax rugby and football to play there . People who deserve nice facilities and can use the stadium for say pop concerts , creche `cos the council want rid of Sure Start and anything else that might work . You are asking the people of Calderdale to subsidise the place when they can`t even use it . I know people whose kids were refused the right to play on the Shay when they got to a final ,their parents were wondering why it`s run like some private gentlemans club.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:25 pm  
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Incorrect. If someone is renting a facility the money they pay goes towards the money made on the facility.

If it costs the council 5k for the running costs of a house, and over the course of the year the tenants don't pay the rent that is a 5 loss. If they pay 6k rent that is a 1k profit.

And I thought it was the football who were simpletons.


That's a load of crap. A P & L will show rental income. If someone doesn't pay that rental income it stays on the BALANCE SHEET under debtors. You clearly don't understand how financial accounts work.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:30 pm  
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Oh dear yet again more me, me , me quotes , sorry it isn`t just about the football or rugby it`s about creating a place that more ratepayers of Calderdale (yes there are around 200,000 of them ) who all subsidise Halifax rugby and football to play there . People who deserve nice facilities and can use the stadium for say pop concerts , creche `cos the council want rid of Sure Start and anything else that might work . You are asking the people of Calderdale to subsidise the place when they can`t even use it . I know people whose kids were refused the right to play on the Shay when they got to a final ,their parents were wondering why it`s run like some private gentlemans club.


So all 200,000 people in Calderdale are rate payers? There is nothing stopping the people of Calderdale coming along to support the local sides, infact I'd more than welcome them with open arms. Just because you pay rates towards something you don't get to free roam around it, that is not how it works.

And I'm sure you full well know why the Shay could not be used for the cup finals. The pitch issue was being resolved in order to get it done to allow the Rugby club to finish their season and the football to start theirs.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:33 pm  
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The Shay makes a very small loss each year. The only reason for last years being so high is the withholding of any rent by Fax. North Bridge, the Victoria Theatre and the Library are all a much larger drain on the people of Halifax.


Another clueless luddite. The Shay does makes a big loss for a COuncil that has no money and has had to cut vital services to the local community. North Bridge and Swimming Baths are venues that offer a wide range of Sports and commercial opportunities to the Community. North Bridge also has hosted things like Exhibitions, Antiques road Show, Boxing matches shown Live on TV as well as a good number watching live. The Swimming baths offer the chance to get Kids learning to swim and some cases saving lives. You cant put a price on that. I would bet more people in Calderdale have been to North Bridge and the Swimming Baths in the past year than have been to the Shay. The Victoria Theatre is used by a large number of people watching various things from Pantomimes to Music Concerts to Comedians. Again I would say a far larger number of people have been to the Victoria Theater this past year than have visited the Shay. The Library again offers far more to the local community than The Shay. Important local records are held here as well as offering Children the chance to improve their reading. It amazes me how stupid and dumb the football fans are when saying The Shay is more important, than a venue that helps children or is more widely used by offering far more to the public than just football and Rugby. Instead of just thinking of yourself look at what a service like the Theatre or North Bridge offer and the range of events they put on for people.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:35 pm  
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That's a load of crap. A P & L will show rental income. If someone doesn't pay that rental income it stays on the BALANCE SHEET under debtors. You clearly don't understand how financial accounts work.


Here you go Mr Accountant.

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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:37 pm  
Those are Janet & John accounts for lay readers. Those won't be the official published accounts to companies house.

Deary me.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:40 pm  
And, are those cash accounts or accounts made up on the accruals basis?
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:42 pm  
It does detail the money spent on the Shay though, does it not?
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:42 pm  
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And, are those cash accounts or accounts made up on the accruals basis?

Speak to the council, they provided the figures.
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Re: Big mistake : Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:44 pm  
Would need to know if they've used cash accounting or accruals accounting. Using that table, if it's cash accounting then the P&L as you described is accurate. If it's accruals accounting your statement is incorrect.
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