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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:37 pm  
Yes next year will be a big year with a lot of pressure on the coaching staff to improve the team if we are to be in with a shout with the proposed new structure.They will have to either step up to the mark or step away.

3 games in 7 days with a long trip up to Barrow was the perfect recipe for another loss after the big effort mid week against Leigh.
I'm sure KH will say that the lads are busted and just ran out of steam.

There is never a good time to have a dip in form but the run in to the buisness end of the season is one of the worst.
Another big test of character for the boys.
No doubt they will be as dissapointed as us if not more so lets stick with them.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:20 pm  
I'm a little surprised at the doom & gloom on here. Sure, Leigh have gone third, but we are at Sheffield on Friday, and still have to travel to Batley - where we never find it 'easy'. On the face of it, your run-in looks easier than ours.

Mind you, it looks like 3rd and 4th will have to travel to Sheffield or Featherstone in the play-offs - which position would you rather finish in? :wink:
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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:42 pm  
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I'm a little surprised at the doom & gloom on here. Sure, Leigh have gone third, but we are at Sheffield on Friday, and still have to travel to Batley - where we never find it 'easy'. On the face of it, your run-in looks easier than ours.

Mind you, it looks like 3rd and 4th will have to travel to Sheffield or Featherstone in the play-offs - which position would you rather finish in? :wink:


Rather dissapointment at the lack of progress and the type of rugby we are playing Alan.

Regardless of who Leigh or any other club has to play that won't fix our problems.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:57 pm  
Oh my god that was dire.

Not too much more can be said that hasnt already been said.

Only things I must add are that it is ok KH chopping and changing the team and picking people on form but when some players seem to be exempt from those rules then it does no good for team morale. How many times have the backline paid the price for the odd mistake yet we seem to have players not playing well consistantly who are in the team week in week out.

Obviously at least one of the changes were forced today with Thackery been injured but once again Bowman is given a chance and you really didnt notice him playing but to be fair theres a lot of games you dont notice our half backs. Karl Ashall came in for his brother, one player who looked almost untouchable, and at times looks lively but it is clear he simply isnt good enough for this standard of rugby. I have no idea who did the scouting for his signing but questions need to be asked.

KH`s favorites for the chop every other week seem to be Worrincy, Tyrer, and Fieldhouse who seem to pay the price for every little error that they make. Funny thing is that our backline looks badly out of sorts which is to be expected given all the changes made every week to try and keep people happy. Those 3 though are 3 out of our 4 top try scorers in the league and in games where we need trys they are the sort of players that can step up and make it happen but in our last 2 games these are the players that have been dropped.

What is annoying though is that it was clear to every one at the back end of the last season where most of the problems were but nothing was done about it, in fact things were made worse because we stuck with the same HB partnership and then didnt replace Penky. maybe I am deluded though because although it was obvious to everyone who I thought were a good judge it didnt seem obvious to our coach.

I thought our attack on Wednesday was one of the worse I have seen but today was up there. Five hours traveling out of a day to watch an attacking performance that I could probably have seen bettered down at Siddal. Maybe the next game we should just bight the bullet and go with 17 forwards, its not like the backs get that much of the ball anyway at the moment. Our play is boring to watch and if it is turning fans off who have watched for years and years then it is going to be very difficult to get it to attract new fans.

Credit to Barrow and they really should have beaten us by more. They looked really well organised in attack and we so much quicker than us with their hooker and scrum half having field days and they ripped us apart on numerous occasions. Next season is massive for KH as we now seem to have people off the field pushing the club forward but like has been said our actual play on the field seems to be going backwards.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:32 pm  
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I have to say I found myself agreeing with your post. Go back a few years and I never missed a game home or away, whatever day it was on. I didn't go to Leigh and there was no way I was going to drag myself up to Cumbria today and I'm certainly glad I didn't go to either game. But I have found myself not missing the day out. I remain committed to the home games, and thankfully our remaining away game is just a few miles away. I guess I have mentally wrote off this season and I am looking for some big changes for next season.


I agree I couldn't go today and didn't miss it one bit, glad I didn't go by the sound of it.
I have already written this season off after the dire effort gainst Fev and especially after the York game which we could have lost remember it was luck that the goal kicks that were split by the TJs were given by the Ref for us and not them.
You know what, I just want the season to end now as it is damage limitation now and I fear we will lose a couple more games with all the injuries and loss of form plus I don't want to have to stomach a tonking by Fev or Sheffield in the play offs.
There is no way we will get to the GF and even if we did by some miracle do you really think we are good enough to beat Fev or Sheffield???
Next year is huge and the Board have to be strong, if Karl does not move us forward then he will have to go, sorry but the club have to be ready for 2015 when we will either grab our chance or fall back woefully short.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:43 pm  
Alan wrote:
I'm a little surprised at the doom & gloom on here. Sure, Leigh have gone third, but we are at Sheffield on Friday, and still have to travel to Batley - where we never find it 'easy'. On the face of it, your run-in looks easier than ours.

Mind you, it looks like 3rd and 4th will have to travel to Sheffield or Featherstone in the play-offs - which position would you rather finish in? :wink:


Alan, you just know when your club is not doing it and right now we are not, this has been coming all season as the big wins have been when teams have just given up like at home to your lot, Dewsbury and away at Swinton. Good teams have coped with us easily as its our attack which is too predictable.
We may finish 3rd but so what, we aint gonna beat Fev or Sheffield and to stop it being another Fev v Sheffield GF there is only your lot that might break up that monopoly.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:12 am  
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That is what I find frustrating. dropping Rob & Tyrer, bringing them back the next week, dropping them again - too much chopping and changing. The side never looks settled. Whilst not wanting to drag up the olden days but under the 1980's Anderson side I always felt that in the home matches we'd win - against Saints, Leeds and even Wigan. It was expected (although we rarely turned Wigan over). Now? I haven't a clue what is going to happen. So inconsistent but in the past month the only consistency has been the moribund stuff. On Monday i'd get the players in and start a meet and greet conversation thusly:

"Paul, this is Anthony, Anthony, this is Paul. You're each others' half back partner. Say hello. Scott, this is Patto and say hello to Craig and Rob. Everyone mingle and get to know each other - you all play for Halifax RLFC".



Perhaps first of all the coaching staff should be brought before the board.
Mr Abbot did not look too happy after the game.
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Re: Stop the Rot : Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:32 am  
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:CLAP: Perhaps first of all the coaching staff should be brought before the board.
Mr Abbot did not look too happy after the game.

JOHN , CHARLIE KNOWS what to do with em :wink: .
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Re: Stop the Rot : Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:40 am  
Halifax suffered a second defeat in five days after they went down 26-12 against Barrow on the Cumbrian coast.


Karl Harrison’s side were never anywhere near their best, especially in an awful second half, and looked to be struggling to deal with the emotional and physical aftermath of the tumultuous midweek loss at Leigh.

Harrison made a swathe of changes to the side that competed so strongly at the LSV without managing to back up their territorial dominance with points, some enforced, some not.

Threequarters Rob Worrincy and Steve Tyrer both returned, with full back Ryan Fieldhouse dropping out to be replaced by Lee Paterson.

But the more significant reshuffle came in the playmaking positions, with Anthony Bowman, last seen on loan at Championship One side Oldham, being recalled to play alongside captain Scott Murrell at half back in the absence of the injured Anthony Thackeray.

Young hooker Karl Ashall replaced his older brother Craig, who was limping heavily after the clash at the LSV, with veteran Paul Handforth dropping to the bench, where he joined debutant prop Ben Davies.

Ashall’s initial involvement barely outlasted the opening exchanges, the former Swinton player leaving the field with a dislocated finger.

Nevertheless, the visitors took the lead when Ross Divorty ran a clever line on the left and Murrell picked him out with a short ball, the back rower rounding Raiders full back Ben Hellewell to score.

Tyrer kicked the conversion, but the Raiders were in themselves five minutes later, the winger Dean McGilvrey scrambling over in the corner.

Kurt Haggerty missed the conversion and Fax went further ahead just before the half hour when Murrell strolled over.

Tyrer put Fax 12-4 ahead, but even then their performance lacked a bit of zip, perhaps understandably after their exertions at the LSV in midweek.

And when Hellewell crowned a flowing move down the right just before half time, Haggerty again putting the kick wide, the Raiders trailed 12-8 at the break.

The home side dominated the opening minutes of the second half, with the half back Liam Campbell and veteran back rower Liam Harrison causing havoc down their right.

Fax held on, with Ashall’s return giving them some invention in attack that almost brought a try for Ben Heaton, the centre just seeing the ball slip from his grasp as he stretched out in a three man tackle.

Harrison then scored from Campbell’s kick through, Kurt
Haggerty kicking the Raiders into a 14-12 lead, leaving the visitors firmly on the back foot.

And when Halliwell touched down after a textbook midfield break from hooker Nathan Mossop, Haggerty again on the mark, Fax trailed 20-12 with 18 minutes to go.

After that, the result sadly never looked in doubt. Fax showed plenty of effort, but lacked the nous to break down the home defence.
And their fate was sealed when Campbell scored three minutes from time, robbing them of a bonus point and dropping them to fourth in the Championship table.

Barrow: Hellewell; Low, McGilvrey, Wiper, Clay; Finch, Campbell; Whitehead, Mossop, Spencer, Harrison, Haggerty, Jones, Brennan. Subs: Nicholson, Toal, Dawson, Marwood

Halifax: Paterson; Worrincy, Tyrer, Heaton, Reittie; Murrell, Bowman; Tonks, K. Ashall, Robinson, Manning, Divorty, Adamson. Subs: Handforth, Ambler, Bracek, Davies

Referee: Warren Turley

That sums it up really, too much tinkering and no cutting edge. I accept we have been hit by injuries and the lads have tried hard but this hits the nail on the head.
Lets get it sorted for next year eh?
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Re: Stop the Rot : Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:52 am  
Fax4Life wrote:
Alan, you just know when your club is not doing it and right now we are not, this has been coming all season as the big wins have been when teams have just given up like at home to your lot, Dewsbury and away at Swinton. Good teams have coped with us easily as its our attack which is too predictable.
We may finish 3rd but so what, we aint gonna beat Fev or Sheffield and to stop it being another Fev v Sheffield GF there is only your lot that might break up that monopoly.


It's a big ask for either of us.
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